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1903 Tibet

Postby Jonathan » 03 Jun 2008 23:42

I have a P1895 Infantry Officer's Sword named to George Henry Neale. At the time of the mission to Tibet he was a captain in The Queen's Royal West Surrey Regiment. During the expedition he served as transportation officer. Can anyone recommend a website that might provide further information on this little expedition? I am hoping to specifically learn more about what Neale might have done during the campaign (if it can be called such).

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Re: Tibet 1903

Postby Mark » 04 Jun 2008 07:06

Hi Jonathan

I don't know of any web sites but I am aware of the following publications:

The Great Plateau Being An Account Of Exploration In Central Tibet, 1903, And Of The Gartok Expedition 1904-1905 by C. G. Rawling.

It is an old book, first published in 1905, but I know it was re-published in 2005 so there should be some copies floating around somewhere.

A little more recently the following hefty book was published:

Opening of Tibet: An Account of Lhasa and the Country and People of Central Tibet and of the British Mission, 1903-04 by Perceval Landon.

Again its an older book but was re-published in 1996 and I think it is still available to buy.

Not much seems to have been published on this expedition but I, for one, would love to hear more about it.

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Re: Tibet 1903

Postby Jonathan » 12 Jun 2008 19:39

Thanks, Mark. Both books are available via Google Books. The former mentions Neale in the appendices, but only lists his duty as transport officer. He was MiD during this expedition. I assume Col. Younghusband would have been the author of the despatches. Does anyone know where I might be able to to find the despatches to learn the reason for Neale's MiD?

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Re: Tibet 1903

Postby awol » 16 Jul 2008 19:57

Hi Jonathon

Can't let mention of the Tibet Expedition go by without mentioning another couple of books on the subject.

Bayonets to Lhasa by Peter Fleming 1961.
Duels in the Snow by Charles Allen 2004.
The British Invasion of Tibet: Colonel Younghusband, 1904, uncovered editions series 1999.


If you check out the Internet Archive web site you'll find Perceval Landon's volume available for free download. It also mentions another two books by him Lhasa vol 1 and Lhasa vol 2, which may just be The opening of Tibet; an account of Lhasa and the country and people of central Tibet and of the progress of the mission sent there by the English government in the year 1903-4 in two volumes. These can also be downloaded for free.

You also asked about despatches for the Tibet expedition. I have found awards to the Royal Fusiliers in the London Gazettes for 13 Dec 1904 and 2 May 1905. You also see these for free at gazettes-on-line.co.uk.

Hope this helps

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Tibet 1903

Postby kaiser » 23 Oct 2008 17:20

Can anybody tell me what Imperial units took part please

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Re: Tibet 1903

Postby 1/1Hertfordshire » 30 Oct 2008 18:18

A late reply but here is a partial answer:
5th Dragoon Guards
7 British Mountain Battery
27 Mountain Battery
30 Mountain Battery
3 Bengal Sappers and Miners
12 Madras Sappers and Miners
1 Royal Fusiliers
1 Norfolk Regiment
Devonshire Regiment
King's own Royal Lancashire Regiment
Royal Irish Rifiles
3 Rifle Brigade
19 Punjab Infantry
23 Sikh Pioneers
32 sikh Pioneers
Gurka Rifles
55 Coke's Rifles
40 pathans
5 Mule Corps
6 Mule Corps
9 Mule Corps
11 Mule Corps
12 Mule Corps
19 Mules Corps
24 Mule Corps
Peshawar Cooly Corps
Sikkim Cooly Corps
Supply and Transport Corps
Army Veterinary Department
Survey Department
Telegraph Department
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Re: Tibet 1903

Postby Mark » 30 Oct 2008 18:31

Andrew

You after a Tibet Medal to the Royal Irish Rifles by any chance? :lol:

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Re: Tibet 1903

Postby kaiser » 30 Oct 2008 19:27

Do you know something i dont??? :D
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Re: Tibet 1903

Postby Mark » 30 Oct 2008 23:04

I'm afraid not Andrew but if I see such a medal to them I'll tip you the wink :)

Won't be cheap!

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Re: Tibet 1903

Postby Liz » 13 Nov 2008 03:03

Hi John aka 1/1 Hertfordshire

A belated welcome back from your latest posting in Afghanistan. I don't suppose you collected any publishable pics of historic battlefields while you were there? We have a few holes in our collection at http://www.victorianwars.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=613. Cheers,

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Re: Tibet 1903

Postby Andy Lonergan » 06 Mar 2009 21:31

Mark wrote:I don't know of any web sites but I am aware of the following publications:

The Great Plateau Being An Account Of Exploration In Central Tibet, 1903, And Of The Gartok Expedition 1904-1905 by C. G. Rawling.

It is an old book, first published in 1905, but I know it was re-published in 2005 so there should be some copies floating around somewhere.


If you search for the Canadian on-line library you will also see this book and his other book available as a pdf download for nothing. Not the most ideal way to read a book but far cheaper than the copies floating around.

C G Rawling was a remarkable man who died on the 28th Oct 1917 whilst commanding 62nd Brigade of 21st Division BEF. I have a bio of him on my website, if anyone wants to see more of his life but thats another era really so I will not post a link here.

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Ps.. If anyone cares to see the bio of Rawling they can access it here http://www.21stdivision1914-18.org/rawling.htm
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Tibet 1903 expedition

Postby sorrell94 » 28 Dec 2010 15:25

hi
just been looking at the 1903 British expedition to Tibet and was wondering what was the point of that invasion and how many troops were involved and what regiments were involved? Also i remember seeing a trailer for a film about the expedition but i cant remember what its called does anyone know the film?

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Re: 1903 Tibet

Postby TerenceB » 05 Jan 2011 18:44

Hope this is ok to do, I have just posted in another section about my Grandfather in Tibet conflict 1903 if anybody can be of help.

viewtopic.php?f=82&t=5082&p=18788&hilit=tibet#p18788

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Re: 1903 Tibet

Postby Scona » 11 Jan 2011 18:33

I have a group of medals to an artilleryman that includes the Tibet Medal with the Gyantse clasp. His name doesn't appear on the medal roll and the medal itself isn't named, but doesn't appear to have been erased. The award is recorded on his attestation papers for the Canadian Expeditionary Force, 1915, so I can't understand the discrepancy. I suspect that he was with the 7 British Mountain Battery.
Q: Do any rolls exist for the 7 British Mountain Battery at Tibet other than the medal rolls?
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Re: 1903 Tibet

Postby Maureene » 18 Sep 2011 13:13

sorrell94 wrote:just been looking at the 1903 British expedition to Tibet and was wondering what was the point of that invasion and how many troops were involved and what regiments were involved?

The FIBIS Fibiwiki has a page called "Tibet Expedition" which provides information and links
http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Tibet_Expedition

Scona wrote:Do any rolls exist for the 7 British Mountain Battery at Tibet other than the medal rolls?

These two links for 1903 and 1904 show the officers of the 7 Battery of the Mountain Division Royal Garrison Artillery
http://www.archive.org/stream/hartsannu ... 5/mode/2up
http://www.archive.org/stream/hartsannu ... 1/mode/2up

If Scona's artilleryman was not an officer,and left the British Army before 1914, has Scona tried the WO 97 records from the National Archives Kew, available on FInd My Past? Details are in the FIBIS Fibiwiki page British Army, section Service and pension records.
http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=B ... on_records
If it is likely the soldier received a pension, the WO 116 records at the National Archives Kew could be another source if there is no WO 97 record. (This happened with one of my ancestors, the only record was in WO 116) The WO 116 records for this period require a vist to Kew , or a researcher.

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