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Defence of Chang Lo, Tibet 1904.

PostPosted: 26 Apr 2016 16:54
by Josh&Historyland
I stumbled upon this incident in the Tibetan expedition by chance. And would love to see some reports of the action from the time.

It occured so far as I can see on the 5th of May 1904. This fortified Manor post seems to have been left vulnerable to a Tibetan strike as the main force had marched to engage tribesmen at Karo La. Indeed the Battle at Karo La began on the same day and both actions seem connected. The protracted siege of the manor station seems to have lasted until June.

I see from Wikipedia that a Lieutenant Leonard Bethell wrote an account of the action, and that Major Younghusband made a report about it. To be honest if anyone has any idea about official or contemporary histories of the expedition I'd love to know about them. The idea of the 8th Gurkhas and 32nd Sikhs fighting a battle at 5,700 metres on the at Karo La is in itself intriguing.

Josh.

Re: Defence of Chang Lo, Tibet 1904.

PostPosted: 26 Apr 2016 17:10
by jf42
This image is dated from a ten years earlier, which may be an error, but I thought it would add a little flavour to your enquiry.

Date: 1894
D Company, Quarter Guard.
2nd Battalion, Manchester Regiment
Jalep La, India, Tibetan frontier, 11000ft altitude.

EDIT: sorry, for some reason the direct link to the photo doesn't work. Type 'Quarter Guard into the search here-

http://www.manchester-regiment.org.uk/frontend.php

and the image will be one of two that come up.


http://www.manchester-regiment.org.uk/f ... ATCHES;%28^|%20+%29MR00065%28$|%20+%29&continueUrl=ZnJvbnRlbmQucGhwPyZrZXl3b3Jkcz1RdWFydGVyK0d1YXJkJmFjdGlvbj1zZWFyY2g=

Re: Defence of Chang Lo, Tibet 1904.

PostPosted: 26 Apr 2016 17:46
by Josh&Historyland
Highly interesting JF. The Sikkim expedition was in the time of the photo, so it is indeed connected.

Josh.

Re: Defence of Chang Lo, Tibet 1904.

PostPosted: 26 Apr 2016 18:40
by ED, in Los Angeles
The second link goes to site, but says it won't perform my query.
Looks cold at 11,000 feet. I have seen snow only several times in my life. I feel uncomfortable when I am hit with the cold air from my refrigerator!

Re: Defence of Chang Lo, Tibet 1904.

PostPosted: 27 Apr 2016 05:04
by Maureene
I don't know if the particular action above, the Defence of Chang Lo, is covered, but for some online sources, see the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Tibet Expedition
http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php/Tibet_Expedition

Cheers
Maureen

Re: Defence of Chang Lo, Tibet 1904.

PostPosted: 12 May 2016 22:40
by bill wright
DEAR JOSH - Maureen has pointed you in a good direction. The best modern account of Chang Lo is on pp 160-165 of Charles Allen`s excellent history of the war - DUEL IN THE SNOWS The True Story Of The Younghusband Mission To Lhasa (published by John Murray, London 2004). Bethell wrote an account for Blackwoods Magazine published in 1929. Slightly older than Allen`s book and very well known, with another good battle account is: BAYONETS TO LHASA by Peter Fleming (Rupert Hart-Davis, London 1961).

Re: Defence of Chang Lo, Tibet 1904.

PostPosted: 14 May 2016 00:34
by Maureene
Part of a bibliography about the Tibet Expedition
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=SZ ... s&pg=PA376
Britain and Tibet 1765-1947: A Select Annotated Bibliography of British Relations with Tibet and the Himalayan States Including Nepal, Sikkim and Bhutan
By Julie G. Marshall

This shows that the 1929 article by Bethell, mentioned by Bill, was written under a pseudonym, the account being A Footnote by Pousse Cailloux.

This article was reprinted in a book called 'Blackwood' Tales from the Outposts: Frontiers Of Empire, edited by Lt Col L.A.Bethell. This appears to be Volume 1 (of 12) in the series 'Blackwood' Tales from the Outposts
1935 edition on ebay which shows the Contents page http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Blackwood-Ta ... 0854983178

I have found a few more online books which I have added to the Fibiwiki page (but not the Bethell article)

Cheers
Maureen

Re: Defence of Chang Lo, Tibet 1904.

PostPosted: 15 May 2016 22:07
by Josh&Historyland
Bill and Maurene, thank you so much for these further sources!

Josh.