Pension payments to soldiers: the practicalities

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Re: Lower ranks pensions: mid- late- 19th C

Postby Les Waring » 14 Aug 2012 12:29

grumpy

Thanks for that.

His pension does seem to be low given his length of service, though his first year-and-a-half was apparently as a boy soldier and therefore not calculated for length of service . Apparently, he swapped regiments for ten years and then returned to his original one, the 32nd Foot,though I doubt whether this would affect his pension rights.

Still, he got a nice gravestone, mentioning his participation in the Siege of Lucknow, (apparently due to the intervention of his local vicar), which is more than most 'rankers' had, and getting a good 'send-off' was very important for people in those days.

Unfortunately, I have no hope of getting to the National Archives to search for his service records or I might be able to find out more about his army service.

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Re: Lower ranks pensions: mid- late- 19th C

Postby Peter » 15 Aug 2012 04:29

Les,

I think Grumpy has well and truly answered your question.

However, there is a slab from Skelley quoted here viewtopic.php?f=82&t=5904 which may be of some interest. And perhaps http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.go ... 56-1899%29.

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Re: Pension payments to soldiers: the practicalities

Postby susancammas » 17 May 2016 19:28

Good evening

I have read with great interest all the previous posts on pensions.
My questions concern my great grandfather (Peter Johnston) who left the RHA on17th July 1888 after completing 21 years service.
He remained a gunner throughout his career.

There is an entry for him on page 23/231 of National Archives file WO116/160 Chelsea number 34302 “Claims to Pension submitted to Chelsea Board on 17th July 1888". But the first page of the file is not available so there are no explanations of the headings. I note that one heading is "Board's decision" and underneath "Pension in pence" - in his case 13.

He would not have been an in-pensioner as he subsequently lived with his wife and family.
In 1891 census he was shown as a "hospital porter"
In 1901 census he was a "lamplighter and chimney sweep".

How frequently would he have received his 13 (old!) pence?
Finally, I suppose it would be utopic to imagine that his pension would have continued to be paid to his widow after his death in 1906?
She lived for a further 31 years!!

Thanks for any ideas on this.
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Re: Pension payments to soldiers: the practicalities

Postby susancammas » 17 May 2016 21:29

Part two of my queries!

I had another great grandfather in the RHA.
He enlisted in 1868.
On 28th December 1888 he signed on for "service beyond 21 years".
What exactly does this mean?
No length of service beyond 21 years is mentioned.

Would he have been entitled to a pension (after 21 years' service) [b]alongside his salary?

[/b]He died on 23rd January 1892 (aged 42!) while still a gunner in Royal Artillery in Redoubt, Maker (Cornwall) after 24 years in RHA many of which were in India (with his wife and where two of his daughters were born) - it was difficult for wives and familes too.

I know times were hard - but were provisions made for army widows? His wife died in 1932?
If not, why on earth did men enlist???? How times have changed - thank goodness!

Thanks for your thoughts on all this
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Re: Pension payments to soldiers: the practicalities

Postby Maureene » 21 May 2016 06:44

Looking at Army regulations for 1870, online via the following link
http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php/Militar ... ne#General

it seems that Officers wives, in certain circumstances were eligible for a pension, but I could not see anything mentioned for the wives of soldiers, so can only assume there was no pension.

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Re: Pension payments to soldiers: the practicalities

Postby susancammas » 07 Jun 2016 08:05

Thanks again Maureen!
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Re: Pension payments to soldiers: the practicalities

Postby Peter » 22 Oct 2016 11:09

7th February, 1833

Warrant Regulating The Grant Of Pension, Allowance, And Relief To Soldiers, On Their Discharge From the Army.

The United Service Magazine, 1833, Vol 12, Part II,
pp 126 / https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... up;seq=134 – 132.
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Re: Pension payments to soldiers: the practicalities

Postby Maureene » 23 Oct 2016 00:55

Thanks for posting Peter.

I have added this link to the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Military periodicals online
http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php/Militar ... als_online

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