Your family in the Victorian Army/Navy?

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Re: Your family in the Victorian Army/Navy?

Postby Gillfoto » 28 Sep 2011 00:55

Hi Frosmile, Appreciate your information. I'll use it to research further. Many Thanks.
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Re: Your family in the Victorian Army/Navy?

Postby Frogsmile » 28 Sep 2011 09:16

Gillfoto wrote:Hi Frosmile, Appreciate your information. I'll use it to research further. Many Thanks.


I am glad you found it useful. Here are some images of the Royal Marines Artillery Badge concerned. It was worn until around 1910, when both parts of the RM (infantry and artillery) adopted a unified badge of a star surmounted by a crown with the globe and laurels at the centre.
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Re: Your family in the Victorian Army/Navy?

Postby Pgeddes » 29 Jan 2012 02:47

I've got nine who I know about.

1. Col. Sir Walter Rice Olivey - born 1831 (great great grandfather). Commissioned into the 1/91st Highlanders in 1851 and after transferring (possibly via a stint in the Buffs) to the 1/12th Foot in 1855 as Lt. paymaster. He rose steadily from there to Lt. Col. Paymaster by the time of the army reforms and on creation of the Army Pay Department was promoted to Full Colonel and Chief Paymaster. He died in 1923.

2. 2nd Lt. Walter Rice Olivey, son of the above - born 1860. Commissioned into the 1/66 in 1880 and killed carrying the regimental colour at Maiwand.

3. Capt Herbert Edward Olivey, younger brother of the above - born 1871 (great grandfather). Commissioned into the Cambridgeshire Militia (4th [volunteer] Bttn. Suffolk Regt. in 1891. By 1898 he was in the 1st battalion (I haven't checked Hart's yet to check which yet he transferred into the regular line battalions). In 1899, by now with the rank of captain he was seconded to the 2nd Central Africa Regiment. In 1901 this was amalgamated with other small African regiments into the King's African Rifles, 2CAR becoming the 2nd battalion KAR. He was killed in Somaliland in 1903 at Gumburru.

4. James Olivey, younger brother of Col Sir Walter - born 1839. Master's Assistant on HMS Spy and died at sea aged 16 in 1855.

5. Paymaster Richard Olivey, younger brother of the above, born in 1840. Served on a number of ships. Held position of Paymaster on HMS Kestrel when he died at Hankow in North China in 1876.

6. Major John Daniell - (great great great gandfather's older brother) - fought at Waterloo (where his horse was shot under him) as a cornet in a cavalry regiment. At some later stage he exchanged to the 66th Regt. and rose to the rank of major, being in charge of the 66th depot for some years. He was still on the strength into the early 1850s.

7. Sir William Daniell, brother of the above. Naval officer. Died in command of HMS Ringdove in 1846.

8. Capt. Edward Daniell, younger brother of both of the above. Held a captain's commission in the 75th Regt. (later to become the Gordon Highlanders), which he sold in about 1840 in order to emigrate to New Zealand.

9 Major Hugh Polloxfen-Dean (son in law of the above) - served in the 31st Regt, which he joined as an ensign in 1855.
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Re: Your family in the Victorian Army/Navy?

Postby Liz » 29 Jan 2012 23:51

Pgeddes

That's an awful lot of individuals to keep track of within a single thread of conversation. May I suggest you create 1 new topic for each man or family of men in the main part of this forum. Thanks,

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Re: Your family in the Victorian Army/Navy?

Postby trev984 » 04 Sep 2013 16:00

Hi. My grandfather was 4473 Private Arthur Deeley. "A" Company, 1st Battalion, Royal Warwicks. 1893 to 1901. Reserve to 1910.
Served in Malta, Egypt, at The Atbara and at Omdurman. (Khartoum) in 1898. The Sudan Campaign. Then on to India, Madras.

I have all his paperwork, Enlistment in Birmingham, Paybook, Clothing and equipment account. Discharge papers etc. Included are his entitlement to Queens Sudan Medal and clasps Atbara and Omdurman. Also Khedive Medal.

I do not have his medals, I have been searching for some years now, and if anyone can help I would be very grateful.
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Re: Your family in the Victorian Army/Navy?

Postby rjwmorrell » 27 Oct 2013 15:54

I have been able to confirm several ancestors were in the Royal Navy during the Victorian years, they were:

Captain Arthur Morrell (1788-1880). He was still serving in 1837 as a lieutenant, later as commander, and had served on numerous ships until the 1850s. He retired and received the First Arctic Medal in 1857. I have the medal in my collection.

His two sons were both naval officers. The eldest, George Truman Morrell (1830-1912) is my g-g-grandfather. I have been able to learn from the various census return that he was born in Dinant, Belgium, "a British subject" and entered service aboard HMS Calcutta in 1842 as a First Class Vol. He served on various ships until 1873, when he retired a commander after 3 years serving in the coast guard at Co. Sligo. One of his journals is in the African collection of the library at Northwestern University, detailing his 1865 journey up the Niger aboard HMS Investigator (the less famous one, the more famous one being part of the expedition to find the fated Franklin expedition). His brother, Arthur Morrell (1831-1915) made it to Rear-Admiral.

George's eldest son was Arthur Wellesley Morrell (1862-1944). I have many of his journals and he details much of his career and service in ships during the later Victorian years. I have five of his medals (they may be seen in my avatar currently). His major Victorian campaigns were Bangkok (1894), Dongola (1896) and China (1900). He was apparently an avid monarchist, in 1897 he was given the book Sixty Years a Queen, by his father George, which also forms part of the collection. He noted with enthusiasm his observations of the golden jubilee fleet review at Portsmouth.

Arthur's brother, Willie, was a merchant mariner during his sea years, and from Arthur's journals I understand he works on P&O ships laying telegraph cables all over the oceans.

I am well into 15 years of researching my family history but have only recently started to put pen to paper (or keystroke to screen) to record it all in a book I plan to self-publish. I would be grateful if any members would volunteer to offer comments or suggestions along the way.
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Re: Your family in the Victorian Army/Navy?

Postby jhorsman » 28 Jan 2014 04:11

Hello,
I have four that I am aware of, Sergant William Cumming 536 Royal Horse Artilary 1829 - 1850, His grand son, Corpral Charles Cummings 2227 20th Hussars 1883 - 1890 both on my mothers side. And Pte Henry George Horsman 4960 East Surrey Reg. 1895 - 1896 and Pte William Punton 5078 Kings Own Scottish Boarders 1894 - 1900 (died of wounds south africa) on my fathers side.

regards james
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Re: Your family in the Victorian Army/Navy?

Postby cumartium » 04 Apr 2014 15:17

Researching George Neil:
This soldier, George Neil, is my great aunt's husband. She was born in Newfoundland (where I am now) and went to Nova Scotia in her young years where she met and married George. Oral tradition has it that he was in the Boer War. What I know about him is as follows: This is his picture. Lately I acquired a copy of his death certificate indicating that he was born in England in 1848 and died at Halifax on 24 Mar 1925, age 77 and that he lived in Nova Scotia for 30 years. (Where was he before that?) My aunt came back to Newfoundland and married again. I am hoping that someone can identify the uniform. The medal on the right may be the Khedive's Star. The photo was taken by WM.NORTMAN - Halifax, NS
Thank you very much.
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Re: Your family in the Victorian Army/Navy?

Postby Frogsmile » 04 Apr 2014 21:09

cumartium wrote:Researching George Neil:
This soldier, George Neil, is my great aunt's husband. She was born in Newfoundland (where I am now) and went to Nova Scotia in her young years where she met and married George. Oral tradition has it that he was in the Boer War. What I know about him is as follows: This is his picture. Lately I acquired a copy of his death certificate indicating that he was born in England in 1848 and died at Halifax on 24 Mar 1925, age 77 and that he lived in Nova Scotia for 30 years. (Where was he before that?) My aunt came back to Newfoundland and married again. I am hoping that someone can identify the uniform. The medal on the right may be the Khedive's Star. The photo was taken by WM.NORTMAN - Halifax, NS
Thank you very much.


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Re: Your family in the Victorian Army/Navy?

Postby Army aviation » 02 Jun 2014 20:37

How is the best way to start researching a relative who served during the Victorian period?have a relative who seved in the boer war then ww1,but no oral family history to suggest anyone else,but where is the best place to begin?i have ancestry till 11th June if that helps?!
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