Town / City Identification

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Town / City Identification

Postby rclpillinger » 19 May 2017 22:43

I hope this post is in the correct topic area, as I am researching sites of home service of the Tenth Royal Hussars.

I have come across the attached photograph and would like to be able to find out where it was taken. It is of the Tenth in either Ireland, or more likely, in England, perhaps moving from Liverpool towards Aldershot, or around Aldershot.

Does anyone recognise the gates of the city wall in the distance? They seem pretty distinctive, but I can't find a likeness anywhere. The date is about 1895-6.

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Re: Town / City Identification

Postby SWB » 20 May 2017 06:46

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Micklegate Bar, York. Very distinctive with its tower.

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Re: Town / City Identification

Postby Tony Barton » 20 May 2017 09:32

Yes, Mickelgate Bar in the distance, and the street we are in is Blossom Street, just outside the walls on the SW side.. Interesting looking at the paving, and truly astonishing lack of traffic and all its attendant clutter of signage, which is now epidemic in that part of York !
Fulford barracks , where they were presumably based, is about 1.5 miles away into the city , over the river and turn right.
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Re: Town / City Identification

Postby Frogsmile » 20 May 2017 10:55

I would just like to support SWB and Tony with their ID of York. Now called 'Imphal Barracks' and the HQ of the Army in the North of England, Fulford Cavalry Barracks has a history dating back to the Napoleonic era.
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Re: Town / City Identification

Postby rclpillinger » 20 May 2017 22:05

Well, there goes all my preconceptions about the chronology of this album. This picture came from the album I referred to in my other post entitled The Missing Years. I had assumed that, as the latter half of the photos came from South Africa, the early ones must have been from Ireland where the Regiment was posted from 1891 until 1895. They were in York from 1888 until 1891.

Two pictures from the album close to the Blossom Street one might therefore be Fulford Barracks. I have attached them.

As I have explained in the other topic, I am having the album restored for the Horsepower Museum where it now lives, and, as there are no labels on any of the photos, I want to insert a sheet giving as much detail about the album and its contents as possible. I am hoping that this will give it some relevance in the distant future when it might be useful for research and/or posterity, and for it to keep some relevance for the future. Please therefore forgive me if I keep coming back with questions.

By the way Tony, I think the lack of cars on Blossom Street can be explained by the road being closed for the Tenth for a couple of hours!

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Re: Town / City Identification

Postby Tony Barton » 21 May 2017 12:41

Unfortunately I have no access to Fulford ( Imphal ) Barracks, otherwise I should pedal across the river ( I live just on the other side) and have a look round to try to locate your photos. It's still in use, so I can't just wander in without fear of arrest . But I might give them a ring and see if I would be allowed around escorted.
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Re: Town / City Identification

Postby crimea1854 » 21 May 2017 14:11

If you go into google maps it is possible to look at Imphal Barracks as an aerial photograph that can be rotated and manipulated, but not google earth I hasten to add. Unless some of the these buildings have now been demolished I don't think it's Imphal.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.9436966,-1.0708764,96a,35y,180h,39.56t/data=!3m1!1e3

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Re: Town / City Identification

Postby rclpillinger » 25 May 2017 22:01

I am beginning to think these may be Malborough Barracks in Dublin. The quoin stones around the side of the doorway in the background might indicate this barracks in built from brick. I think Malborough Barracks was completed to the first phase in about 1884-5

Generally I think I am getting somewhere now with the album, but can anyone identify the place where the next two pictures was taken.

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Re: Town / City Identification

Postby Frogsmile » 27 May 2017 20:34

It looks like Malahide castle, not far from Dublin, although I cannot be sure.
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Re: Town / City Identification

Postby Frogsmile » 28 May 2017 09:55



Well done, Martin, I think that's it.
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Re: Town / City Identification

Postby rclpillinger » 28 May 2017 11:13

Thankyou Frogsmile for your thoughts, but as you clearly agree, I think Martin has nailed it.

The album is now coming into some sort of perspective and I am very close to being able to write a timeline page to go into the restored book; there is however the question of the South Africa pictures. I might post one or two of these here to see if anyone can pin-point them as there are one or two quite identifiable scenes, but most are of rail sidings and bare landscapes.

Thanks again

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Re: Town / City Identification

Postby rclpillinger » 28 May 2017 17:11

Here, then are the first three pictures from the album from South Africa. The buildings may be quite distinctive and possibly still in existence.

I think they must be from the early part of the war, which might mean they come from Kimberley, which is unlikely because the Tenth were only there for about 24 hours before racing off to tackle Cronje. Their next stops were Paardeburg and Wolveskraal Drifts, going on to Bloemfontaine, if this is of any help at all. The bridge could well be a crossing of the Modder River.

The writing on the building in the second pictures says "Central Bureau"

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Re: Town / City Identification

Postby RobD » 28 May 2017 20:15

The damaged / repaired bridge is on the Orange River at Norvalspont. He presumably avoided photographing the two concentration camps at this site, the white one where 450 Boer women and children died, and the black one where no official records of deaths were kept.

The market square in a South African town is harder to place, as it does not match the postcard views of Johannesburg, Pretoria, Bloemfontein, or Kimberley. It's definitely nowhere in Natal and it is not Cape Town.

Can you check with a magnifying glass whether the building is named Central Bureau [in which case it is in the English-speaking Cape Colony, and probably Kimberley] or Centraal Bureau [in which case it is in the Dutch-speaking Orange Free State e.g. Bloemfontein or Transvaal e.g. Pretoria or Johannesburg].
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Re: Town / City Identification

Postby crimea1854 » 28 May 2017 22:17

There is an electric tram in the first photograph, which must surely limit the number of possible locations.

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