Help identifying regiment

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Help identifying regiment

Postby Morgan105 » 13 Feb 2017 22:24

The attached photo is a relative I'm researching. Can anyone help in identifying the regiment that John Kerr served. He was born in Cumbria 1843 but lived in Kirkcudbrightshire. My own deductions (with v limited knowledge) is that John was a trooper in a Scottish regiment... Any help much appreciated, but realise that there's not much to go on. Thanks Andy
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Re: Help identifying regiment

Postby jf42 » 14 Feb 2017 00:37

Morgan, your man looks like an officer in the Galloway Volunteer Rifle Corps. Details in the following link. On the second page you will find an illustration that is an uncanny echo of your photograph.

http://archive.org/stream/recordsofscot ... kcudbright

http://archive.org/stream/recordsofscot ... kcudbright

Galloway is the name of the region of southwest Scotland that embraces the historic counties of Wigtownshire and Kirkcudbrightshire, more properly the Stewartry of kirkcudbright, also referred to in Victorian times as 'East Galloway'.

I hope that gets you a little further on your way.

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Re: Help identifying regiment

Postby crimea1854 » 14 Feb 2017 08:48

Your man looks to be wearing the Volunteer Officers' Decoration with its distinctive oak bar brooch. This was awarded for twenty years commissioned service in the volunteer force and instituted in July 1892. There are rolls for this medal, but at the moment they can only be viewed in person at the National Archives, although there is a book on this medal by Tamplin that may include a list of recipients.

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Re: Help identifying regiment

Postby Frogsmile » 14 Feb 2017 10:47

Brilliant work gentlemen. I don't think there is any doubt that he is a member of the Galloway VRC. It must be quite a rare photo too methinks. No doubt the local county museum/archives wound be grateful for a copy.
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Re: Help identifying regiment

Postby crimea1854 » 14 Feb 2017 23:05

I'm told that Tamplin's book does not include a roll.
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Re: Help identifying regiment

Postby crimea1854 » 15 Feb 2017 08:35

In the hope that there might be a collector of this award on the British Medals Forum, I posted a request for help from any member who might have access to the medal roll. What I got, by way of a reply, now questions if the photograph is not of John Kerr but a William Kerr.

This is the notice of the award to William.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/issue/10417/page/1351/data.pdf

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Re: Help identifying regiment

Postby dfsvol » 15 Feb 2017 10:51

This was my full reply

http://victorianwars.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=11699.

I've no doubt that is Galloway Rifle Volunteers

but is that John Kerr ?

This is notice of V.D. to William Kerr of G.R.V.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/ ... 1/data.pdf

In 1886 was acting Captain Dalbeattie Company of G.R.V.

http://deriv.nls.uk/dcn30/9066/90661630.30.jpg

and his obituary 1917

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/view ... 0411%2f121

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Further information from 1861 census

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss ... &ml_rpos=1

William Kerr of Little Richorn born 1845 had older brother John born 1843. Neither apparently born in Cumberland.

This is John’s baptism

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss ... ml_rpos=15

and this is probably same John in 1891 census

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss ... ml_rpos=12

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Re: Help identifying regiment

Postby jf42 » 15 Feb 2017 18:19

Little RIchorn is a farm just off the A 710 road from Dalbeattie to Colvend (Kippford/Rockcliffe). Kerr is traditionally a Borders surname (See Macdonald Fraser's The Steel Bonnets) but crops up regularly in Galloway. I grew up in the region. Our local GP in Castle Douglas was named Kerr (No idea whether a relation of yours or not!)
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Re: Help identifying regiment

Postby dfsvol » 16 Feb 2017 22:03

The John and Margaret Kerr of the 1891 census are
John Kerr and Margaret Helme married at Dalbeattie on 28th June 1870
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss ... &ml_rpos=5

The 1851 census details Margaret Helme’s family
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss ... y&h=254023
showing her as born in England c.1843 and father Thomas as manufacturer of bobbins employing 17 men, 4 apprs, and 8 boys.

Her baptism record shows her as the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Helme baptised at Caldbeck Cumberland on 19th February 1843
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss ... ource=1076

Notices in The Carlisle Journal 25 October 1861 and 28th August 1863 give further information on Thomas Helme’s activities.
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/view ... 1025%2f077
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/view ... 0828%2f062

There is an informative Thomas Helme family tree on Ancestry
http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/27764 ... 3295/facts

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Re: Help identifying regiment

Postby Morgan105 » 05 Mar 2017 11:51

Hi Pete, Martin and JF

Thanks so much for all your help. You've helped my investigations no end! If anyone has suggestions how or where this imagine can be used then please do shout.

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