Researching Captain Robert Charles Holmes 10th Hussars

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Re: Researching Captain Robert Charles Holmes 10th Hussars

Postby jf42 » 09 Jan 2017 22:18

regiments.org had these posting for the 59th Regiment. Is that any help?

1841 West Indies
1843 England
1846 Ireland
1849 China

http://web.archive.org/web/200801180422 ... /059-1.htm
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Re: Researching Captain Robert Charles Holmes 10th Hussars

Postby Andy2015 » 10 Jan 2017 00:29

jf42 wrote:regiments.org had these posting for the 59th Regiment. Is that any help?

1841 West Indies
1843 England
1846 Ireland
1849 China

http://web.archive.org/web/200801180422 ... /059-1.htm


Great help thank you!
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Re: Researching Captain Robert Charles Holmes 10th Hussars

Postby Andy2015 » 23 Jun 2017 22:50

Andy2015 wrote:
crimea1854 wrote:I note from his will he died in Southend on Sea at the Ship Hotel: http://pubshistory.com/EssexPubs/Southend/ship.shtml

His father, David, served with the 9th in the Peninsular War fighting at Nivelle and Nive.

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Great thanks, i found a TNA record dated 1812 for him, 9th Foot Reg.
Great photo`s, where did you get his service details.. its on my list?
Did they have service records or it is a case of researching regiment details?
Apparently an officer his father? still to investigate?
Used to WW1 so new to prior to 1900..
Thanks so much!



Hi. you mentioned above his will?
Have you nay more details of this and where you found it etc? i am unable to locate anything?
With Thanks.
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Re: Researching Captain Robert Charles Holmes 10th Hussars

Postby crimea1854 » 24 Jun 2017 14:29

I found the notice of probate on the Ancestry website; date of death 18 April 1869, probate granted 10 May 1869, total value of estate £450. You can order a copy of the will itself online for £10 from the official government website, but you need to click on the correct tab - 1858-1996: https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

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Re: Researching Captain Robert Charles Holmes 10th Hussars

Postby MikeS » 24 Jun 2017 16:16

From looking at various period publications (and if you haven't yet found the information) it looks like he exchanged into the 95th foot in 1844, then transferred (United Service Magazine says appointed) into the 10th Hussars in May,1846. He obtained two years leave of absence to England in 1854, which might explain his lack of service in the Crimea.
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Re: Researching Captain Robert Charles Holmes 10th Hussars

Postby Andy2015 » 25 Jun 2017 17:06

crimea1854 wrote:I found the notice of probate on the Ancestry website; date of death 18 April 1869, probate granted 10 May 1869, total value of estate £450. You can order a copy of the will itself online for £10 from the official government website, but you need to click on the correct tab - 1858-1996: https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

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Found it, thats great, thank you very much..
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Re: Researching Captain Robert Charles Holmes 10th Hussars

Postby Andy2015 » 25 Jun 2017 17:07

MikeS wrote:From looking at various period publications (and if you haven't yet found the information) it looks like he exchanged into the 95th foot in 1844, then transferred (United Service Magazine says appointed) into the 10th Hussars in May,1846. He obtained two years leave of absence to England in 1854, which might explain his lack of service in the Crimea.
Cheers,
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That`s wonderful, thanks.
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Re: Researching Captain Robert Charles Holmes 10th Hussars

Postby Andy2015 » 25 Jun 2017 17:26

Research update so far of information gained from Ancestry, FMP, Your exceptional help on here, the National Archives and London Gazette.

A tarnished silver cigar case was discovered at a very remote eclectic Scottish Highland antiques dealer with the 10th Hussars engraved on it.
Curiosity got the better of me and i had to check it out so purchased it..
The current date of the case is tracked down to be between May 1850 and 1857 while posted in Kirkee in India.
The case has no hallmark and is assumed to had been made in India as an award or gift and presented to Holmes possibly for a promotion or leaving gift.
So far the information found is:

Captain Robert Charles Holmes
Born: 6th May 1824 in Rome Italy
Married: 29th March 1855, St Helen`s, York to Eliza Caroline Price
Death: 18th April 1869 at the Ship Hotel, Southend, Essex, aged 45
Died of Apoplexy (aneurysm, heart attack or stroke today)

Military Career
1840: Joined the 59th Foot Regiment on 20th Nov 1840 as Ensign.
1841: was Ensign with 59th Foot, Depot, Templemore, Cork & Jersey.
1844: 12th April promoted to Lieutenant with the 59th Foot.
1844: 24th May moved to 95th Foot as Lieutenant.
1846: 10th Prince Of Wales Own Royal Regiment of Light Dragoons moved to India, Kirkee, 5th May 1846
1846: Moved to the 10th Hussars
1850: Promoted in the 10th Hussars to Lieutenant in India.
1851: Promoted to Captain, 10th Hussars, 6th June 1851.
1854: Obtained 2 years leave to England.
1857: Noted as retired as Captain and in the Uk.
1858: The late Captain of the 10th Hussars to be Adjutant of the 2nd Eastern Regiment of the Norfolk Militia, 22nd March 1858.
1861: Census has Robert as retired with the family and widowed mother in law in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk...
Notably with 6 servants.
1861: Transferred as Adjutant of the militia to the Norfolk Rifle Volunteer Corps, 9th May 1861.
1861: Promoted to Captain with the Norfolk Rifle Volunteer Corps on 11th June 1861.
1863: Transferred to be Adjutant with the City Of London Rifle Volunteer Brigade.

Family
Mother: Anne Price 1782-1865
Father: David Holmes 1782-1854
Children:
Charles Thomas David Dalkeith Holmes: 1856-1889
Henry Musgrave Dalkeith Holmes: 1857-1917
Reginald Hezekiah Plumer Dalkeith Holmes: 1860-

Notes:
Robert`s father, David Holmes was an officer in the 9th Foot Regiment.
David Signed up as an Ensign with the 9th Foot East Norfolk Regiment in 1813.
He served with the Duke of Wellington in the Napoleonic wars in France in 1813 at the battles of Nivelle and Nive and possibly the siege of San Sebastian before then...
Nivelle 10th Nov 1813
Nive 9th - 13th Dec 1813.
On the 11th Dec 1813 an ensign David Holmes of the 9th Foot is noted as Severely wounded during the Battle of Nive.
London Gazette records, 20th Jan 1814 state an Ensign David Holmes 9th Foot was promoted to Lieutenant replacing a lieutenant killed in action.

Family
Robert`s grandfather on his mothers side was Sir Charles Price 1747-1818..
He was a wealthy oil man and banker then 1st Baronet and sheriff of a London suburb, then Lord Mayor of London in 1803.
He married Mary Rugge in 1774, of peerage family forming the line of Rugge Price family peers still to this day.

The Cigar Case Emblem/Crest
The crest/emblem on the flask has been found on the bookplate of a book by John Holmes 1758-1841, an author.
A direct family link has yet to be found.
The figure is a known 18 century naval coronet with a crown, ships and masts above and the arm holding a harpoon or fork.
This looks like a Holmes family crest and is clearly naval related going back to the 1700-1800s, there are many records of a family of Holmes as officers in the navy in the 1600 and 1700`s?
More research both military and family tree required to connect up all the clearly connected items and people above.
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Re: Researching Captain Robert Charles Holmes 10th Hussars

Postby Andy2015 » 26 Jun 2017 10:45

rclpillinger wrote:Andy, the roll of Officers for the Tenth indicates that Captain Holmes joined the Tenth as a Lieutenant in 1850 when the Regiment was in India,and retired as a Captain in 1857 when stationed in England.

Curiously enough Liddell does not specifically list his arrival in the Regiment as he does with most other Officers transferring in, but does mention him when he retires.

Richard


Hi rclpillenger
I guess the photo you posted is the uniform i am looking for?
when i look into uniforms it gives many tyes and colours?
I am looking to frame the case in a box frame with a brief summary of his past, a regiment badge or crest and ideally a photo or postcard of what he would have looked like in his uniform as a captain at that time?
Thanks again
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