Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

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Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Mark » 09 Mar 2016 10:26

Does anyone know if there are any official accounts of the First and Second Anglo-Chinese Wars; and if so, are they available anywhere in print or electronic format? I suspect the answer to the latter part of the question is no, since I have failed miserably to find any, but I hope something may exist.

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Mark » 11 Mar 2016 13:02

I think the answer to the above question is pretty clear :lol:

In which case, can any one recommend period and/or primary sources for the Opium wars? I have a few in PDF, but would be interested to see what else might be available.

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Maureene » 12 Mar 2016 00:29

The FIBIS Fibiwiki has two pages
1st China War, and 2nd China War, with links to online books.

http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php/1st_China_War
http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php/2nd_China_War

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby crimea1854 » 12 Mar 2016 10:42

There are two diaries in Kevin Asplin's 'China Medal Roll 1856-60:Royal Navy' - Surgeon Walter Dickson & Walter White, who served as a painter on HMS Scout.

I haven't looked but there might also be official despatches published in the London Gazette.

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Mark » 12 Mar 2016 18:55

Maureen / Martin

Many thanks, I will consult all your suggestions :)

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Josh&Historyland » 12 Mar 2016 22:25

I think much of what I suggest is covered in the above posts but just in case.


Ochterlorny's account. Which I encountered looking into the Sanyuanli incident.
https://archive.org/details/chinesewaraccoun00ouchrich

Then a curious book I just ran across called a Chinese view.
https://archive.org/details/chineseaccountof00parkrich

And also a book I have been using for my research into British relations with Japan in the 1860s. British arms in north China & Japan.
https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_British_Arms_in_North_China_and_Japa.html?id=1XwBAAAAQAAJ&redir_esc=y

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Mark » 14 Mar 2016 16:30

Thanks, Josh! :)

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Josh&Historyland » 24 Mar 2016 18:58

Was writing a bit for Britannia Magazine on an unrelated topic and tripped over this.


https://archive.org/details/twoyearsinchinan00macprich

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Mark » 25 Mar 2016 23:19

Josh&Historyland wrote:Was writing a bit for Britannia Magazine on an unrelated topic and tripped over this.


https://archive.org/details/twoyearsinchinan00macprich

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Thanks, Josh!

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby jf42 » 30 Mar 2016 10:54

Not officiaI but I came across this in the JSAHR index for Volume 85 (2008)

Notes from the Opium War: Selections from Lieutenant Charles Cameron’s Diary
during the period of the Chinese War, 1840-’41 by Rick Bowers [p.190]

-perhaps it has some interesting material.

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Mark » 01 Apr 2016 10:05

jf42 wrote:Not officiaI but I came across this in the JSAHR index for Volume 85 (2008)

Notes from the Opium War: Selections from Lieutenant Charles Cameron’s Diary
during the period of the Chinese War, 1840-’41 by Rick Bowers [p.190]

-perhaps it has some interesting material.

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Thanks, jf! Sounds like an interesting primary source that I need to investigate.

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby jf42 » 01 Apr 2016 13:29

Mark had a quick dip when I was in the British Library checking something else in that copy of JSAHR. Cameron was an officer in the 26th. Not a great amount of operational detail but he gives a soldier's eye view of staff mismanagement, the impact on soldiers' health, the wastefulness of lives lost needlessly in a campaign fought in the shadow of hypocritical foreign policy. He writes well. The journal survived because he sent it home to his brother when he himself was ill with fever and thought he was going to die.
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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Mark » 07 Apr 2016 20:48

jf42 wrote:Mark had a quick dip when I was in the British Library checking something else in that copy of JSAHR. Cameron was an officer in the 26th. Not a great amount of operational detail but he gives a soldier's eye view of staff mismanagement, the impact on soldiers' health, the wastefulness of lives lost needlessly in a campaign fought in the shadow of hypocritical foreign policy. He writes well. The journal survived because he sent it home to his brother when he himself was ill with fever and thought he was going to die.


Thanks again, jf42! I am slowly building an index of sources for what might be a possible future book - although nothing is confirmed yet!

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby bill wright » 04 May 2016 21:57

Dear Mark

I come to this Post rather late but I can confirm a "No" but with a kind of "Yes" too. While there are no official accounts in the sense of Norie`s official account of the China Operations 1900-1901, the official Indian Govt publication, "Frontier & Overseas Expeditions From India" has over 100 pages (Vol VI) on the operations in both 1st and 2nd China Wars especially in respect of Indian troops or forces employed from India. The account is deemed "official". But in the true sense of what you mean we simply have accounts by men like Ouchterlony, Murray, Fisher and others.
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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Mark » 11 May 2016 19:42

bill wright wrote:Dear Mark

I come to this Post rather late but I can confirm a "No" but with a kind of "Yes" too. While there are no official accounts in the sense of Norie`s official account of the China Operations 1900-1901, the official Indian Govt publication, "Frontier & Overseas Expeditions From India" has over 100 pages (Vol VI) on the operations in both 1st and 2nd China Wars especially in respect of Indian troops or forces employed from India. The account is deemed "official". But in the true sense of what you mean we simply have accounts by men like Ouchterlony, Murray, Fisher and others.


Thanks Bill, much appreciated. I do have the complete set of volumes of 'Frontier & Overseas Expeditions From India', so will definitely be using it in my upcoming project.

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