Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Liz » 08 Jun 2016 22:41

You might be interested in Arthur Waley's 1958 book The Opium War through Chinese eyes. I have yet to track down a full copy (it is not cheap) but it sounds fascinating. It mainly draws draws on private writings from people including Commander Lin, one of the leading figures on the Chinese side in the first war. It does include some official Chinese accounts too but "these tend to use fixed formulae, and we learn relatively little from them about what anyone was thinking or feeling". I would expect the translations and commentary to be of a high standard - Arthur Waley was an internationally renowned scholar of Chinese and was the first person to translate many major Chinese works of literature into English.
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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Maureene » 09 Jun 2016 10:19

There is book file on Archive.org for the book above, The Opium War through Chinese Eyes. However the download files are not the usual ones, the only one I recognise by name is Torrent (also I believe called BitTorrent), but I don't have that on my computer.
Perhaps someone with computer knowledge would have more of an idea.
https://archive.org/details/opiumwarthroughc00arth

Another account from the Chinese side, available online, is Chinese Account of the Opium War by E.H. Parker 1888 Archive.org. This is mainly a translation.
https://archive.org/details/chineseaccountof00parkrich

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Mark » 09 Jun 2016 12:54

Thanks Maureen, much appreciated! As soon as I have finished writing my Chitral book, I will be starting my Opium Wars project towards the end of this year.

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Maureene » 11 Jun 2016 08:41

There is a transcription relating to The Opium War through Chinese Eyes.

This is stated to be the full text. The chapters present in reverse direction, so scroll to the bottom of the webpage to commence.
http://www.drugtext.org/Table/The-Opium ... nese-Eyes/
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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Mark » 30 Jun 2016 12:57

Maureene wrote:There is a transcription relating to The Opium War through Chinese Eyes.

This is stated to be the full text. The chapters present in reverse direction, so scroll to the bottom of the webpage to commence.
http://www.drugtext.org/Table/The-Opium ... nese-Eyes/
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Thanks again, Maureen! :)

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby love4history » 09 Aug 2016 13:13

Hi Mark

Definitely looking forward to the result of this coming project. In the mean while, any unofficial accounts of the Second China War that I should read? I'm just finishing the Second Anglo-Sikh War which had been a great read and as the latest addition to the medal collection is a Second China War medal to a Pte. in the 67th Rgt of Foot I would like to read up on that campaign next.
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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Mark » 11 Aug 2016 10:25

love4history wrote:In the mean while, any unofficial accounts of the Second China War that I should read?


There are a small number of books published back in the 1970s and 1980s, but I would perhaps suggest 'The Chinese Opium Wars' by Jack Beeching. It is out of print, but you should be able to get a second-hand copy easily enough. It covers both the first and second Opium Wars.

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby love4history » 17 Aug 2016 10:24

Excellent. Thanks for the pointer Mark! Will look for it. Keep us updated on your newest project!
In the mean while I dove into some (historical) fiction for a change. Sea of Poppies by Amitav Ghosh. Setting is colonial India in 1837, China and the Opium trade. I believe it's a trilogy and the last book actually plays during the Opium War.
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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Mark » 26 Aug 2016 14:09

You are welcome, Roel. I hope they will be both of interest and use to you, and thank you for your kind words.

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby andy5880 » 20 Sep 2017 21:30

New book that may be of interest to readers of this thread, a reproduction of the Medical Officers Journal by the RN Surgeon Charles Courtney between 1856 and 1860. Got my copy today from the National Archive bookshop
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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Mark » 22 Sep 2017 12:50

andy5880 wrote:New book that may be of interest to readers of this thread, a reproduction of the Medical Officers Journal by the RN Surgeon Charles Courtney between 1856 and 1860. Got my copy today from the National Archive bookshop
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That looks interesting! I will get myself a copy :)

Thanks for the suggestion.

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby love4history » 29 Sep 2017 14:22

Hi everybody

Just finished reading The Chinese Opium Wars by Jack Beeching. Good general overview, perhaps a little too much of how domestic party-politics influenced the decisions, but that's just my opinion. Still in need of a book that gives more detail on the actual military campaign(s) so waiting for Mark's book to appear. No pressure though :lol:
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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Mark » 02 Oct 2017 09:05

love4history wrote:Hi everybody

Just finished reading The Chinese Opium Wars by Jack Beeching. Good general overview, perhaps a little too much of how domestic party-politics influenced the decisions, but that's just my opinion. Still in need of a book that gives more detail on the actual military campaign(s) so waiting for Mark's book to appear. No pressure though :lol:
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Thanks, Roel. It seems just about every book written in recent decades about the Opium Wars focus almost solely on the politics and not the military aspect of the campaigns. You will be pleased to know that, while I of course include all the political stuff etc., I have mainly focused on the actual military campaigns.

I have written about two-thirds of it, so fingers crossed it will be on schedule.

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Redcoat 57 » 11 Oct 2017 13:37

I am currently reading James Fitzjames - The Mystery Man of the Franklin Expedition, by William Battersby (The History Press 2010). I mention it here because Fitzjames served in China aboard HMS Cornwallis and was wounded at Chenkiang.
The bibliography includes the following;

Hall, Captain W.H., R.N. and Bernard W.D., The Nemesis in China, comprising a history of the Late War in that Country, 1847.
Loch, Captain Granville G., R.N., The Closing Events of the Campaign in China, 1843.
Ouchterlony, Lt. John, F.G.S., Chinese War: An Account of all the Operations of the British Forces from the Commencement to the Treat of Nanking, 1844.

William Battersby has produced an excellent book which should appeal to anyone interested in the Navy of that era. It covers Fitzjames' whole career, not just the Franklin Expedition. It has also whetted my appetite for all things Opium Wars so I look forward to your forthcoming work Mark!

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Re: Anglo-Chinese Wars - Offical Accounts?

Postby Maureene » 11 Oct 2017 23:14

Thanks for advising Eric

One of the items in the bibliography you quote was new to me. I have added an online link to the book file, to the FIBIS Fibiwiki page 1st China War, so now all three historical books mentioned by Eric may be read online.
https://wiki.fibis.org/w/1st_China_War# ... oks_online

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