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The 2/21st Royal Scots Fusiliers

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2017 19:48
by Rory
Is there a way to determine where a man serving with the above was during the 1st ABW?

I refer here specifically to a chap whose medal I have - 720 Sgt. George Russell - I would like to know what company he was in and if he was in the Potchefstroom debacle or the actions in Pretoria.

Regards

Rory

Re: The 2/21st Royal Scots Fusiliers

PostPosted: 14 Jun 2017 22:24
by SWB
Hello Rory

The only way I know is to read around, one of the most readable and recent accounts is A Rain of Lead.

Regards
Meurig

Re: The 2/21st Royal Scots Fusiliers

PostPosted: 15 Jun 2017 11:00
by Isandlwana
Rory,

In addition to Meurig's suggestion I would also suggestion that you consult the WO16 series - Pay & Muster Rolls - at the National Archives, Kew.

Regards,

John Y.

Re: The 2/21st Royal Scots Fusiliers

PostPosted: 16 Jun 2017 16:56
by Rory
Thanks chaps

Re: The 2/21st Royal Scots Fusiliers

PostPosted: 16 Jun 2017 22:52
by Isandlwana
Rory,

You never know your man could be amongst this group of the 21st.

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Unidentified group of Senior N.C.O.'S and Adjt. of the 21st Royal Scots Fusiliers, pre-1881
John Young Collection.

John Y.

Re: The 2/21st Royal Scots Fusiliers

PostPosted: 17 Jun 2017 01:12
by jf42
John, do you happen to know when the Royal Scots Fusiliers adopted a band of dicing on their undress headgear? Was it when they changed title from 'Royal North British' to 'Royal Scots', or earlier?

Re: The 2/21st Royal Scots Fusiliers

PostPosted: 17 Jun 2017 08:47
by Isandlwana
jf42,

The dicing on undress headgear was introduced in 1866, according to the Historical Record and Regimental Memoir of the Royal Scots Fusiliers, formerly known as the 21st Royal North British Fusiliers, compiled by James Clark, published in 1885. The following entry appears on Page 133:
...In Dublin, in 1866, seal-skin caps were issued, and the dice band authorised for the forage cap.


Given your mention of the regimental title. Officially the title was not changed from the Royal North British Fusiliers to the Royal Scots Fusiliers until 1881, by virtue of General Orders of 11th April & 1st May, 1881. However, in 1877 a Royal Authority was issued to assume the title of the 21st Royal Scots Fusiliers. Although I have found the use of it as early as 1876 in certain publications.

John Y.

Re: The 2/21st Royal Scots Fusiliers

PostPosted: 17 Jun 2017 19:01
by Rory
Great photo - thanks John - Russell was a Sergeant but obviously blotted his copybook whilst out in South Africa as he was reduced to the ranks

Re: The 2/21st Royal Scots Fusiliers

PostPosted: 20 Jun 2017 11:05
by Isandlwana
Rory,

Further to my previous with the N.C.O.'s, here are the 2nd/21st's officers taken circa 1880.

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Officers of the 2nd Battalion, 21st Regiment, circa 1880.
John Young Collection.

John Y.

Re: The 2/21st Royal Scots Fusiliers

PostPosted: 20 Jun 2017 12:33
by jf42
Isandlwana wrote:jf42,

The dicing on undress headgear was introduced in 1866, according to the Historical Record and Regimental Memoir of the Royal Scots Fusiliers, formerly known as the 21st Royal North British Fusiliers, compiled by James Clark, published in 1885. The following entry appears on Page 133:
...In Dublin, in 1866, seal-skin caps were issued, and the dice band authorised for the forage cap.


Given your mention of the regimental title. Officially the title was not changed from the Royal North British Fusiliers to the Royal Scots Fusiliers until 1881, by virtue of General Orders of 11th April & 1st May, 1881. However, in 1877 a Royal Authority was issued to assume the title of the 21st Royal Scots Fusiliers. Although I have found the use of it as early as 1876 in certain publications.

John Y.


Thank you, John. As discussed on another thread here, the authority for the 21st adjusting their title to 'Royal Scots Fusiliers' in 1877 must surely have borne some relation to the Scots Guards dropping the word 'Fusilier' from their title on the same day. (1877.04.03 according to regiments.org).

Perhaps the most significant change made to the regimental title in 1881, the dispensing with the regimental number '21st'?