1873-74 Ashanti campaign - research on Army Service Corps

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1873-74 Ashanti campaign - research on Army Service Corps

Postby siegebatteries » 16 Jan 2011 21:49

I have been working on a project which I hope might be of some interest to some members of the forum – and I was hoping some of those interested members might be able – and willing – to help me.

I have been looking at the 57 Army Service Corps men who served in the 73-74 Ashanti campaign, trying to ascertain when units arrived, what their trades were and how the campaign may or may not have affected the individuals.

The help I require is from anyone with a full Findmypast subscription who could look up records of the men for whom I have not been able to get many details. In return, I am prepared to do research on Ancestry – for any period. I’m not expecting someone to sit in Kew for me – there are far too many names to check off – but if people are prepared to check one or two on-line, their help would be gratefully received and much appreciated

Some of the chaps may be of interest to people studying other operations as the medal rolls show their names serving in other campaigns – New Zealand, South Africa, Egypt, Sudan, even one who got a QSA.

One chap – 1287 Staff Sergeant James Callaby (1847-1932) – may be unique in having these five medals: Ashanti, South Africa (Zulu clasp), Egypt, Khedive Star, and Sudan (Suakin clasp) – not many units served in all these campaigns!

There are, apparently, some records for Callaby on Findmypast.

Declaration of interest:
My great grandfather was a 2nd Corporal in the ASC. He served in the campaign and was discharged unfit in December 1874.
He had, in fact, transferred after three years with 2/20th to the ASC, officially on 1 November 1872 (although there is some evidence he was attached to the ASC as early as September 1872, but that’s not germane to this project).
He was with one of the ASC companies from Woolwich and I have been trying to find out about his colleagues in the company.

The project:
Using Ancestry, I have found out what I could about each ASC man on the Ashanti medal roll – noting that the rolls seem to indicate that the men were stationed at various depots around the UK when the medals were issued in the summer of 1874. From the 1871 census, it is clear that many of these men were also in different depots before the war:
Of those serving with the ASC in 1871, 15 were in Aldershot; 14 in Woolwich; 1 in Bristol; 2 in Devonport, 1 in Sheffield, 3 overseas with other units and 20 unknown
When the medals were issued in 1874 it was noted that 15 men were in Aldershot; 20 in Woolwich; 4 in Chatham; 3 in Colchester; 4 in Portsmouth; 1 in Devonport; 2 in Manchester, 2 in Netley; 1 in London and 1 in Tyneside, plus 3 where the located is not clear and one chap who had deserted and the medal, presumably, not dispatched.

Former units:
By chance, I found that the records of 11 of the 57 ASC men on the Ashanti medal roll had been misfiled within the 1914-1920 service record database on Ancestry.
Of these, 8 had transferred to the ASC from other units, four on the same day (1 November 1872) as my great grandfather – 2 from 64th Foot, 1 from 68th Foot and 1 from 12 Lancers.
The other transfers were: 1 from 15 Hussars in 1869, 1 from 90th Foot in 1871, and 2 from 2/2nd Foot on 27 March 1872.
(I have also turned up another two transfers from other units of men serving at the ASC at the same time, but who did not go to the Gold Coast – one the brother of one of the men who did go, but for whom I have no early history)

Trades:
From various sources, I can attribute trades to 17 of the 57 men in the campaign – 5 butchers, 2 bakers, 5 clerks and 5 ordnance stores.

Service on West Coast of Africa:
From the handful of records I have managed to turn up, the ASC men arrived at Cape Castle at various dates between September and December 1873 and left between February and May. The 11 periods of overseas service I have found are:
18 Sept-1 March (1), 13 Nov-1 March (2), 19 Nov-1 March (1), 19 Nov-26 May (1), 29 Nov-22 Feb (1), 4 Dec-1 March (4), 4 Dec-10 March (1).

After the war:
The medal roll noted seven men had been discharged (plus one desertion) before November 1874, and from various records, it is known another two (including great grandfather) were discharged by the end of the year. The manner of discharge of 5 men is not known but 3 bought themselves out and my great grandfather was invalided out.

From other medal rolls, service records and the 1881 census, I know that at least 16 men remained with the Corps and its successors but there are 31 men whose later careers I have not, so far, been able to trace.

Of those who stayed in the service, five served in South Africa (three Zulu clasps, 1 Sukukuni clasp, 1 no clasp); nine men were awarded the Egypt medal and three men the Sudan medal. One also got the QSA having been commissioned lieutenant. Another man had been in New Zealand in 1869.

Help required:
If anyone in the forum has any information about any of the ASC men who served on the West Coast of Africa in 1873/4, I would be most interested to hear from them. I do know that the records of some of the men are on the Findmypast website so if any forum members with full Findmypast subscriptions would each be prepared to download the any of these I would be very grateful.

I intend to post the details I have so far discovered of each of the men concerned - here are the first few - in the hope someone might be able to add more information:


1032 Staff Sergeant Thomas William BROOKHOUSE

b 1839 in Radford, Nottinghamshire, son of John and Isabella Brookhouse
1851: Lace maker (aged 11) father = frame smith, mother = bonnet maker
1861: Colchester Barracks – Corporal (regiment not known)
m 1863 St Michael, Aldershot – married Annie Maria Passmore
1871: Aldershot – Staff Sergeant ASC
1873/4: West Coast of Africa – 3rd Class Staff Sergeant ASC. Ashanti Medal Coomassie clasp. “With convey when attacked on 31/1 and present at Ordahsu and under fire” Awarded DCM. Medal roll: Aldershot
1881: Aldershot – Pensioner ASC
1891: Anglesey, Wales – Army Pensioner (Sergeant-Major)

1276 Private Joseph EDWARDS (initial digit of reg no may be wrong)
b c 1844 Tormarton, Gloucestershire, son of Joseph and Sarah Edwards
1851: Tormarton with parents (father = agricultural labourer)
1861: Wapeley cum Codrington, Gloucestershire. Agricultural labourer with widowed mother
1871: Woolwich – Private ASC
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Private ASC. Ashanti Medal Roll: Devonport
m 1878 Stoke Damerel – married Christina (or Christiana) Hannah Crabb
1880: Woolwich – Private OS Branch ASC baptism of daughter
1881: Woolwich – Private AMCS (?) baptism of daughter
1881: Woolwich – Private ACS
1883/84: Devonport – birth of next two children
1886/7/90: Old Sodbury, Gloucestershire – birth of next three children
1891: Chipping Sodbury, Gloucestershire – Agricultural labourer
Died before 1901

1287 Lance-Sergeant James CALLABY

b c 1847 Great Massingham, Norfolk, son of Charles & Phoebe Callaby
1851: Great Massingham with parents (agricultural labourers)
1861: Great Massingham with parents
1871: Woolwich – Corporal ASC
m 1873 14 Sept St Mary Woolwich. Corporal ASC – married Alice Maud Kelsey, a minor. Alice was the daughter of Edward & Mary Kelsey, a waterman who was in Woolwich Union Workhouse for 20 years. Alice was only 18 when she got married and had been a domestic servant at the Navy Arms pub in Queen Street near Woolwich Dockyard
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Lance Sergeant ASC Ashanti Medal Roll: Woolwich
1879: South Africa – 3rd Class Staff Sergeant ASC. South Africa Medal (Zulu clasp)
1881: in South Africa
1882: Egypt – 2nd Class Staff Sergeant C Coy. Egypt Medal and Khedive Star
1885: Sudan – 1st Class Staff Sergeant & Warrant Officer. Sudan Medal (Suakin clasp)
1891: Woolwich – Night watchman
1901: Plumstead – Night watchman
d 1932 Plumstead, Kent

1701 Lance-corporal Timothy SHEA
b c 1839 Tipperary, Ireland
1871: Aldershot – Private ASC
m 1872 Farnham – married Emily Denyer
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Lance-corporal ASC Medal roll: Aldershot
1881: Aldershot – Private ASC
1881: death of Emily
m 1883 Farnham – married Anna Booth
1891: Aldershot – “Barrack labourer ASC”
1901: Aldershot – reported to be blind
d 1914 Fareham, Hampshire

1786 Sergeant James Ridley WAGER
b c 1843 Winksworth, Derbyshire, son of James and Mary Wager
1851: Bridgnorth, Shropshire, with parents (father = mercer)
1861: Brompton, Gillingham, Kent – Private 81st Foot
1869: New Zealand – 449 Private CS Corps. Awarded New Zealand Medal. Medal roll: Aldershot
m 1870 Bristol – married Mary Brake Scott
1871: Clifton, Bristol - Corporal Supply Branch ASC
1873: Bristol – birth of child born
1873/4 West Coast of Africa. Sergeant ASC Medal roll: Manchester
1877: Manchester – birth of child
1879: Newport, Monmouthshire – birth of child
1879: South Africa – Conductor of Suppliers, Commissariat Corps. South Africa Medal (Zulu clasp)
1885/89: Dublin – birth of children
1891: Aston, Birmingham – Clerk in Gun Factory
1901: Aston, Birmingham – Clerk in shipping agent
d 1917 Birmingham

1912 Private George SOANE

b c 1852 Wokingham, Berkshire
1871: Aldershot – Private ASC
1873: 13 Nov West Coast of Africa private ASC
1874: 1 March departed West Coast of Africa Coomassie clasp Medal roll: “With convoy on 31/1/74 under fire” Chatham
m 1876 Rochester – married Jemima Nancy Kent
1879: Rochester – birth of child
1881: Colchester – Soldier
1888: 15 May invalided out. Trade = butcher

2575 Lance-sergeant Charles Everard CANHAM
b 1851 Norwich, son of Everard and Elizabeth Canham
1851: Norwich with parents (father = railway porter)
1861: Swainsthorpe, Norfolk, with parents (father = railway station master)
1871: Aldershot – Private ASC
1873/1874: West Coast of Africa. Lance-sergeant ASC Medal roll: Manchester
m 1878 Farnham – married Haphzibah Clara Davie
1879: child born in Oldham, Lancs
1881: Alverstoke, Hampshire – 2nd Class Staff Sergeant
1882: Egypt 1st Class Staff Sergeant Unattached detachment C&TC Egypt Medal
Medal roll: 11 Coy
d 1915 in Nottinghamshire. Insurance agent. Left £180 10s 6d to son

2594 Lance-sergeant Arthur Ernest HEWLETT

b c 1850 Wallingford, Berks, son of Thomas and Mary Hewlett
1851: Marston, Oxfordshire with parents (father = relieving officer)
1861: Oxford with parents (father = relieving officer and registrar of births & deaths)
1871: Woolwich – Private ASC
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Lance-sergeant ASC Medal roll: Tynemouth
1879: South Africa – conductor Ordnance Stores Department. South Africa Medal (Zulu clasp)
1885: Sudan – 3rd Class Staff Sergeant C Coy OS Corps. Sudan Medal (Suakin clasp)
1891: Cowley, Oxfordshire – Army pensioner (Staff Sergeant Ordnance Stores Corps)
m 1894 Oxford – married Amelia Bella L Phillips
1901: Cowley, Oxfordshire – sub postmaster, army pensioner
Arthur’s elder brother Thomas Hewlett enlisted 7 January 1868 in Royal Fusiliers (Reg no 1619) and transferred to ASC in 1870. Deserted
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Re: ASC project

Postby Waggoner » 16 Jan 2011 22:12

A fascinating project! I would be interested to know how many had prior service in the MT, CSC, MSSC, etc.

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Re: ASC project

Postby siegebatteries » 17 Jan 2011 08:01

Gary

So far only one known CSC member - see my first list for Sgt James Ridley Wager. This chap with the 81st foot in 1861 and CSC in New Zealand in 69.

His Reg No was 1786 and, on the basis that these numbers were sequential on joining, there were 20 men with a lower Reg Number, and most of these were, presumably, from one of the ASC predecessors

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Re: ASC project

Postby mick_ryan » 17 Jan 2011 14:54

Peter

For your information, I have the four clasp Egypt Medal to Alfred Aquila Baker, with his clasps being Tel El Kebir, Suakin 1884, El Teb-Tamaai and Nile 1884-85. In addition, he was Mentioned in Dispatches for his services in the Nile Campaign.

He was additionally entitled to a no bar Ashantee Medal, and of course the Khedives Star. I have neither of these two medals.

At present, I do not have his service file.

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Re: ASC project

Postby Mark A. Reid » 17 Jan 2011 16:22

Dear Peter;

This sounds like quite a large project, may I wish you luck with it. My apologies if I'm telling you things which you already know but here are a few comments;

- I have copies of the ASC Journal and will have a look for mentions and/or photos of any of your men. I don't want to raise your hopes as the journal only started in 1893 and photos of individuals didn't become common until the early 20th century. However, if one of your men was a footballer, there's a much better chance.

- Have you contacted the museum of the Royal Logistic Corps in Deepcut? They may very well have some research files on the Ashanti contingent and, possibly, even some diaries, reports, etc. on this expedition.

- I note that you didn't mention any officers who participated in the expedition. This is a pity as information about commissioned types is usually far more available. In addition, the RLC Museum holds a document in which 19th century officers and a few Warrant Officers, were given a page on which was recorded their activity whilst serving with the Corps. I seem to recall that it isn't complete but there was plenty of information about movements, dates, etc. You may find that some of the ASC contingents were led/accompanied by an officer whose arrival dates, etc. were recorded in the book. Might be worth a letter to the curator.

- I have an interest in the C&T Staff and C&T Corps who served in Egypt and, like you, am struck by the number of long-serving soldiers in the corps who continued to earn campaign medals long into the 19th and even 20th century. Many of these men were trained artisans but a number would have been Transport men, with a speciality in both four and two-legged carriers. They would not have collected Trade pay but would have been equally indispensable in the field.

Good luck with the project.

Best Regards,

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Re: ASC project

Postby siegebatteries » 17 Jan 2011 18:38

Dear Mick and Mark

Thanks for your responses and comments.

- I note that you didn't mention any officers who participated in the expedition. This is a pity as information about commissioned types is usually far more available.

Well, I've started with the 57 ASC men as my GGFather was one of them; officers in the Control Dept - and there were 35 of them involved in the campaign - might be another project for the future - in fact I have done some background work on them.
Reading Brackenbury's history of the Ashanti campaign, I see that while he names some of the Control Dept officers, not one of the ASC rank and file gets a mention - not even as a statistic! Perhaps another reason for trying to find out about the ASC men.
I have the four clasp Egypt Medal to Alfred Aquila Baker, with his clasps being Tel El Kebir, Suakin 1884, El Teb-Tamaai and Nile 1884-85. In addition, he was Mentioned in Dispatches for his services in the Nile Campaign.


Alfred Aquila Baker (1852-1901) was a Sub-Assistant Commissionary in the Ashanti campaign. Born in 1852 Sedgley, Staffs, the son of a ironmaster's clerk, William, and his wife Susanna, he was with his parents in 1861 and 1871 and appointed sub-assistant commissionary on 13 June 1872. in 1881 he was at New Granby Barracks, Stoke Damerel. He was promoted assistant commissary in 1874, deputy assistant commissionary-general in 1880 and assistant commissionary-general with the rank of major in 1885. He was promoted lieutenant-colonel on the supernumerary list in 1889 and went bankrupt in 1898, not long before his death in 1901. He appears not to have married.

- Have you contacted the museum of the Royal Logistic Corps in Deepcut? They may very well have some research files on the Ashanti contingent and, possibly, even some diaries, reports, etc. on this expedition.
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I haven't made contact with the RLC but I shall certainly take up your suggestion, Mark

Many thanks

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Re: ASC project

Postby siegebatteries » 17 Jan 2011 18:55

Here's the next six men:

1072 Staff Sergeant Robert John LAPHAM
or Quarter Master Sergeant
b c 1848 at Carisbrooke, IoW, son of Colour Sergeant Uriah Lapham, Royal Scots Fusiliers (b Kilmington, Somerset), mother= MaryAnn (b Ceylon)
1851: Carisbrooke with parents and bothers Uriah (b Corfu) and Thomas (b Carisbrooke)
1871: Aldershot – Staff Sergeant ASC
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. 2nd Class Staff Sergeant ASC. Ashanti medal Coomassie clasp. “Under fire. With convey when attacked on 1/2/74 between Fommanah & Ahkankuassi” Medal roll: Woolwich
m 1876 Woolwich – married Louisa Maria McQueen
1878 17 March – promoted from 1st Class Staff Sergeant to Sub-Assistant Commissionary C&TD
1881: Milton-in-Gravesend – Louisa “wife of Commissionary Officer ASC” with children Percy and Eva
1888 27 March – Deputy Assistant Commissionary-General with honorary rank of Captain
1888 28 March – Quartermaster with honorary rank of Captain
1901: Charlton – Captain ASC with Louisa, and children Eva, Abbey and Claude
1903 1 Jan – Quartermaster with honorary rank of Major
1903: death of Louisa
1903 1 May – placed on retirement pay
m 1912 Barnet – Major ASC married Louise Agnes Rogers (nee Luck)
d 1927 11 Dec Bournemouth – leaving £490 5s 10d to his widow

1522 Corporal James Victor LEE
b c 1852 Devonport, son of Sergeant Major James Lee RA
1871: Private ASC – Woolwich
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Corporal ASC Ashanti Medal roll: Woolwich
m 1880 4 December St Mary Woolwich .Company Sergeant-Major ASC – married Elizabeth Reed
1881: Woolwich – Company Sergeant-Major ASC
1882 12 November St Mary Woolwich. 2nd Mr Sergeant OSC – baptism of daughter Elizabeth Mary Allen Lee
m 1890 Wandsworth – married Emma Groves
1891: Chester – Warrant Officer, visitor in hotel
1896 24 June Quartermaster Ordnance Stores Dept promoted Assistant Commissiary of Ordnance with honorary rank of Lieutenant
1900: Cape Colony – Lieutenant AOC, QSA with Cape Colony clasp; invalided 2 Oct
1901: Plumstead – Lieutenant AOC
d 1914 Croydon
At least one son KIA in France in 1916

2097 Private William YEXLEY
b c 1849 Bexley Heath, Kent, son of William and Sarah Yexley
1851: Crayford, Kent, with parents (father = block printer)
1861: Mitcham, Surrey, with parents
1870: 16 Aug. enlisted ASC
1871: Aldershot – Private ASC
1873: 13 Nov West Coast of Africa (Ashanti War) private ASC
1874: 1 March departed West Coast of Africa Medal roll: Aldershot
1881: Aldershot – Lance corporal ASC
1882: Egypt 18 Coy
1891: Cheriton, Kent – Corporal ASC
1891: 17 May Discharged Trade = butcher
1901: Manchester – Furniture remover

2523 2nd Corporal George Arthur BASHFORD

b 1853 Cardiff, son of George and Mary Bashford
1861: St Pancras with parents (father = insurance broker)
1870: 18 October enlisted ASC
1871: Aldershot – Lance-corporal ASC
1873: 12 November 1873 – promoted 2nd Corporal ASC
1873: 4 December West Coast of Africa. 2nd Corporal ASC
1874: 1 March departed West Coast of Africa Medal roll: Aldershot
1875: 15 May – discharged by purchase (£18) trade: clerk
m 1875 Farnham – married Mary Ann Lapham (sister of Staff Sergeant Robert Lapham)
1876: Aldershot – birth of child
1877: Hackney – birth of child
1881: Hackney – Steward of Fever Hospital
1891: Forest Gate – Publican
d 1895 Lambeth


2526 Corporal Edward HILLS
b c 1850 Epping, Essex, son of Henry and Mary Hills
1851: Epping with parents (father = shoemaker)
1861: Loughton, Essex, with parents
1870: 16 Dec enlisted in ASC
1871: Aldershot – Private ASC
1872: 8 June promoted 2nd Corporal ASC
1873: 1 July promoted Corporal ASC
1873: 4 Dec West Coast of Africa (Ashanti War) Corporal ASC
1874: 10 March departed West Coast of Africa Medal roll: Portsmouth
1874: 19 Sep posted to Portsmouth (clerk at Gosport)
1875: 1 July promoted Sergeant ASC
m 1876 4 June Alverstoke, Hampshire – married Alice Jenkins
1878: Gosport – birth of child
1878: 7 Aug Posted to Newcastle (clerk)
1879: 18 Feb Newcastle – Court martialled for threatening behaviour, fraudulent applying public money (£3 16s 0d and £2 3s 2d) and faking the postage book of which he was in charge – imprisoned 168 days, loss of GC pay, stoppages of £2 3s 2d and reduced to rank of private
1879: Aug released and posted to Aldershot
1881: Gosport – birth of child
1881: Farnborough, Hampshire – Private ASC
1882: 1 April posted to Farnborough
1883: 11 April promoted 2nd Corporal ASC
1885: 28 Nov posted to Cyprus
d 1890 Polymedia, Cyprus – 2nd Corporal ASC

2629 Lance-sergeant Harry GAUNTLETT

b 1848 Lymington, Hampshire, son of Frances and Jane Gauntlett
1851: Lymington with parents (father = shoemaker)
1861: Lymington with widow mother (mother = shoemaker)
1871: Aldershot – Private ASC
1873: 15 August 1873 – promoted 2nd Corporal ASC
1873: 12 November 1873 – promoted Corporal ASC
1873: 4 December West Coast of Africa. Lance-sergeant ASC : “Stationed at Mourusey during 5 days of operations” No clasp but North of Prah on 4 Feb
1874: 1 March departed West Coast of Africa Medal roll: Aldershot
1874: 1 December – discharged by purchase (£18) trade: clerk
m 1876 Christchurch, Hampshire – married Mary Ellis
1881: Holdenhurst, Hampshire – journeyman painter
d 1905 Christchurch, Hampshire
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Re: ASC project

Postby Waggoner » 17 Jan 2011 20:12

Peter,

Thank you for the information about Wager. I don't think that you will find any former MT men in the contingent. Their absence, at least in my opinion, contributed to the problems that were experienced with the native bearers.

All the best,

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Re: ASC project

Postby siegebatteries » 19 Jan 2011 07:48

Here is the next batch of men

1155 Sergeant Charles HEWISH
b 1841 Bath, Somerset
1873/4: West Coast of Africa – Sergeant ASC Ashanti medal. Medal roll: Chatham
1879: South Africa. 1st Class Staff Sergeant, Commissariat. South Africa Medal (Zulu clasp)
d 1880 Cambridge Hospital, Aldershot. Sergeant-Major. Effects of less than £20 left to brother John Hewish, resident master of Boys’ Home, Deptford

1436 Lance-corporal Henry Joseph HART
b 1837 Chiswick
1871: Woolwich – Private ASC
m 1871 28 November, St Mary Woolwich. Corporal ASC – married Rebecca Fiander, widow of a former RA gunner and Army Pensioner, who herself died in June 1873 and was buried at Plumstead 24 June
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Lance Corporal ASC. Ashanti Medal roll: Woolwich
m 1876 19 February, St Mary Woolwich. Corporal ASC – married Annie Leander

1576 Private John McLEAN
b c 1852 at Woolwich
1871: Woolwich – Private ASC
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Private ASC. Ashanti medal Coomassie Clasp. Medal roll: “With convoy when attacked on 31/1 and under fire” Woolwich
1881: Wingham, Kent – Police constable (and married by then)

1630 Lance-corporal Henry PARSONS

b 1845 Reading, Berkshire, son of William and Mary Parsons
1851: Reading with parents (father = journeyman butcher)
1866: 25 August. enlisted with 15 Hussars (Reg No 861) Private
1869: 16 March transferred to Commissariat Staff Corps. Private
1870: 1 April transferred to ASC. Private
1873: 19 Nov West Coast of Africa (Ashanti War) lance-corporal ASC
1874: 1 March departed West Coast of Africa Ashanti Medal roll: “Stationed at Essiaman during 5 days of operations” No clasp but North of Prah on 4 Feb. Discharged
1874: 6 June Discharged by purchase (£11). Trade = butcher
1881: Reading – butcher

1801 Lance-corporal John WATSON
b c 1842 Scotland
1871: Woolwich – Private ASC
m 1872 23 Oct St Mary Woolwich. Private ASC – married Julia Jennings
1873 7 Sept St Margaret Plumstead – “Bricklayer” when daughter baptised
1873/4 West Coast of Africa. Lance Corporal ASC Medal roll: Woolwich
m 1876 17 April St Margaret Plumstead. Soldier – (re)married Julia Jennings
1891: Woolwich – General Labourer

1891 Lance-Corporal William Arthur WYNN

b c 1845 Bagshot, Berkshire
1871: Aldershot – Lance-corporal ASC
m 1873 St George’s Hanover Sq – married Eliza Jane Lee
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Lance-corporal ASC Medal roll: Aldershot
1874: Aldershot – birth of child
1877: Lambeth – birth of child
1881: Lambeth – Fishmonger

2645 Lance-sergeant Richards GODFREY

b c 1846 Heavitree, Devon
1870 16 Dec enlisted in AOC. Trade = clerk
1871: Aldershot – Private ASC
1872 1 Feb promoted 2nd Corporal ASC
1872 1 Dec promoted Corporal ASC
1873: 18 Sep West Coast of Africa (Ashanti War) Lance-sergeant ASC
1874: 1 March departed West Coast of Africa Medal roll: Colchester. Medal returned
1874 1 May promoted Sergeant ASC
1876 6 Dec: deserted

2647 Sergeant William WOOD

b c 1845 Lanark, Scotland
1865 28 April Brighton – enlisted in 90th Light Infantry (reg no 1276)
1866 26 Oct posted to India
1869 3 Nov return from India
1870 11 Jan promoted Corporal 90th LI
1871 1 Jan Devonport – transferred to ASC
1871 1 Feb Devonport – promoted 2nd Corporal ASC
1872 9 June Devonport – promoted Corporal ASC
1873 8 Jan Devonport – promoted Sergeant ASC
1873: 4 Dec West Coast of Africa (Ashanti War) Sergeant ASC
1874: 1 March departed West Coast of Africa Medal roll: Chatham. “Stationed at Essiaman during 5 days of operations” No clasp but north of Prah on 4 Feb
1874: 2 March at Aldershot
m 1874 27 April Plymouth – married Jessie Hext
1874 22 Aug posted to Chatham
1876 22 Nov Chatham – promoted 3rd Class Staff Sergeant ASC
1879 26 March Chatham – promoted 2nd Class Staff Sergeant ASC
1880 18 Nov posted to Brighton
1881 Brighton – Staff Sergeant ASC
1881 13 July Brighton – promoted 1st Class Staff Sergeant ASC
1882 4 Aug posted to Egypt – 1st Class Staff Sergeant ASC Egypt Medal (Tel-el-Kabir clasp) and Khedive’s Star. 11 Coy
1883 28 May return from Egypt to Aldershot
1883 20 June posted to Chatham
1884 19 Nov posted to Gibraltar
1886 10 May return from Gibraltar to Aldershot
1886 27 July discharged time expired
d 1889 Hartley Wintney, Hampshire

2726 2nd Corporal Alfred COOK

b c 1850 Hemel Hempstead
1869 12 Jan: Northampton – enlisted in 2/2nd Foot (reg no 1854)
1869 Gosport – Private 2/2nd Foot
1871: St Andrew, Devon – Private 2/2nd Foot
1872 27 March transferred to ASC. Trade = baker
1873 28 Jan Aldershot – promoted 2nd Corporal
1873: 29 Nov West Coast of Africa (Ashanti War) 2nd Corporal ASC
1874: 22 Feb departed West Coast of Africa. Coomassie clasp Medal roll: “With convoy on 31/1/74 under fire” Netley Discharged
1874 24 Sep Aldershot – promoted Corporal
1874 14 Oct – posted to Netley, Master baker
1874 7 Dec Netley – discharged by purchase (£18)
1881: St James Clerkenwell – Baker
1891: Hemel Hempstead – Baker

2728 Lance-corporal Thomas POLLARD

b c 1849 Market Harborough, son of George and Eliza Pollard
1851: Market Harborough with parents (father = coal porter)
1861: Market Harborough with parents
1869 4 June Northampton – enlisted in 2/2nd Foot
1871: Stoke Damerel, Devon – Private 2/2nd Foot
1873 1 April Aldershot – transferred to ASC
1873 4 Dec West Coast of Africa (Ashanti War) lance-corporal ASC
1874 1 March departed West Coast of Africa Medal roll: Aldershot. “Not under fire. As far to the front as Accrowfuma during 5 days of operations” No clasp but north of Prah on 4 Feb
m 1874 Northampton – married Sarah Garley
1875 1 Oct Aldershot – promoted 2nd Corporal
1877 10 Jan Aldershot – promoted Corporal
1877 5 April Portsmouth – discharged by purchase (£11)
1881: Portsea – butcher
1891: Portsea – cab driver
1901: Portsea – general butcher
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Re: ASC project

Postby Mark A. Reid » 20 Jan 2011 13:45

Hello Peter;

Just sent you scans of two articles from the ASC Journal. Please let me know if they arrive as I had some mis-fires when I tried to send them.

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Re: ASC project

Postby Waggoner » 20 Jan 2011 15:25

Peter,

Thank you for the continuing updates! Plse keep them coming. Still no former MT chaps?

All the best,

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Re: ASC project

Postby siegebatteries » 20 Jan 2011 21:44

Hi Mark - the articles arrived OK for which many thanks. I shall have a chance to study them in more detail tomorrow

Hi Gary - Thanks for your encouragement. Still no MT men, I'm afraid - at least, not positive evidence of former status

Here are the next group - including GGFather!

3306 Lance-corporal William RODDA
b c 1848 Helston, Cornwall, son of William and Mary Rodda
1851: Helston, Cornwall, with parents (father = butcher)
1861: Sithney, Cornwall, with parents
1867: 1 March Plymouth – enlisted 12th Lancers (reg no 960)
1871: ? Dublin
1872: 1 Nov transferred ASC. Trade = butcher
1873 4 Dec West Coast of Africa (Ashanti War) 2nd Corporal ASC
1874 10 March departed West Coast of Africa Medal roll: Aldershot
1878 1 April promoted 2nd Corporal ASC
1879 3 March Aldershot – discharged time expired
m 1879 Helston, Cornwall – married Mary Jane Perry
1881: Kenwyn, Truro, Cornwall – butcher
1891: Guernsey – butcher
1901: Guernsey – butcher

3308 Private Charles BEDFORD
b c 1853 Kings Cross, London
1871: Nether Hallam – soldier, Sheffield District Barracks
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Private ASC Medal roll: Woolwich
1879: South Africa – 1st Corp Ordnance Dept ASC – South Africa Medal (Zulu clasp)
1881: South Africa – Sergeant ASC
1882: Egypt – Sergeant C Coy AOC – Egypt Medal & Khedive Star
m 1887 7 Dec St Paul Dublin – married Anna Civenour (born in Minsk, Russia, British subject)
1891: Aldershot – Staff Sergeant, Ordnance Corp
1901: Doncaster – brass foundry timekeeper

3359 2nd Corporal George William BATHE

b July 1847 Plumstead, Kent, son of William and Mary Bathe
1851: Plumstead with parents (father = Police Constable)
1861: sentenced to 4 years at reformatory for theft from father
1865: emigrated to South Africa to work on sheep farm
1869: 21 Sep enlisted in 2/20th Foot at Pietermaritzburg
1871: with regiment in Mauritius
1872: with regiment in Bullevant, Co Cork
1872: 1 Nov transferred to ASC Woolwich
1873 March Woolwich – promoted 2nd Corporal ASC
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. 2nd Corporal ASC Medal roll: Woolwich
1874: 7 Dec Woolwich – invalided out (rupture caused by bullock during Ashanti campaign)
m 1875: 11 April. St John, Deptford, railway policeman – married Evangeline Bradley
1881: Redhill Surrey – Drillmaster, Reformatory School (the same one he had served his time at 20 yrs before)
1891: Sydenham, Kent – plumber at Gas Works
1901: Sydenham, Kent – plumber at Gas Works
1934: Jan. Died leaving widow £193
Five sons served in WW1, youngest KIA

3403 2nd Corporal Henry HILLS
b c 1849 Bethnal Green
1867 29 June London – enlisted in 64th Foot (reg no 1566)
1867 3 Dec – posted to Malta
1869 16 May: promoted corporal 64th Foot
1870 27 March – returned to Home duties
1872 27 June: reverted to private 64th Foot
1872 1 Nov: transferred to ASC
1873 1 Sep: promoted 2nd Corporal ASC
1873 4 Dec West Coast of Africa (Ashanti War) 2nd Corporal ASC
1874 1 March departed West Coast of Africa Medal roll: Netley
1875 1 July: promoted Corporal ASC
1877 28 June: promoted Sergeant ASC
d 1881 31 Oct Athlone, Ireland Staff Sergeant ASC – effects £20 9s 3d to father

3405 2nd Corporal John CONCHIE
b 1847 8 March Rotherhithe, son of John and Isabella Conchie (father = packer)
1851 Newington, Surrey – with parents (father = beer seller, mother = dressmaker)
1861 Peckham, Surrey – with parents
1867 9 July London – enlisted in 64th Foot (reg no 1586)
1867 3 Dec – posted to Malta
1869 26 Jan – promoted Corporal 64th Foot
1872 28 March – returned to Home duties
1872 1 Nov: Aldershot – transferred to ASC
1873 12 Nov Aldershot – promoted 2nd Corporal ASC
1873 19 Nov West Coast of Africa 2nd Corporal ASC
1874 26 May departed West Coast of Africa. Ashanti medal. Medal roll: Aldershot
1875 23 March – posted to Chelsea
1875 1 July Chelsea – promoted Corporal ASC
1877 16 Jan Chelsea – Court Martial: AWOL. reduced to private and released
m 1877 1 Feb Hampton, Middx – married Catherine Rance
1878 1 April Chelsea – promoted 2nd Corporal ASC
1878 3 Sep – posted to Devonport
1879 20 Aug Devonport – promoted Corporal ASC
1880 8 Sep Devonport – promoted Sergeant ASC
1881 Stoke Damerel – Sergeant ASC
1882 22 April – posted to Limerick
1882 5 Aug – posted to Egypt Sergeant Unattached Detachment C&TC Egypt Medal and Khedive Star
1883 5 Jan Aldershot – returned to Home duties
1883 19 Jan – posted to Dublin
1883 22 July Dublin – promoted 3rd Class Staff Sergeant C&TC
1884 13 Sep – posted to Manchester
1885 20 May – promoted 2nd Class Staff Sergeant C&TC
1887 1 Sep – posted to Belfast
1888 2 Jan – posted to Enniskillin
d 1888 25 Apr Enniskillin
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Re: ASC project

Postby Waggoner » 20 Jan 2011 21:52

Peter,

As you add more information, I am surprised by the number of men who have previous combat arms service. While there was a push on to recruit combat arms officers to serve as junior officers, I would have thought that most of the NCMs would have been recruited as skilled tradesmen. To find that this was not the case is quite interesting.

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Re: ASC project

Postby siegebatteries » 21 Jan 2011 14:16

Gary,

I too thought it surprising that so many men had served with other units (including GGFather - whose history is making me look into this) but for my birthday, my daughter managed to get me a copy of Masse's The Predecessors of the RASC and the answer is there.

Masse quotes the "Royal Warrant for the formation of an Army Service Corps" (Special Army Circular 17th December 1869) and I shall quote selectively from this:

1. The Corps shall in the first instance be formed of volunteers from Our Military Train, Commissariat Staff Corps, Military Store Staff Corps, and from that portion of Our Army Hospital Corps which is attached to the Purveyor's Branch of the Hospital Department of Our Army.

4. The ranks of our Army Service Corps shall be filled by soldiers volunteering, without bounty, from the ranks of other Corps of Our Army, or by recruits whose direct enlistment may be specially authorized by Our Secretary of State for War.

5. Volunteers for service in Our Army Service Corps shall not as a general rule, be above thirty years of age; they shall have served at least two years as soldiers before entering the Army Service Corps; and must in all cases be of good character, and be recommended by the commanding officers


So, service in another unit before the ASC was the rule, rather than the exception - direct enlistment needed specially authorisation. Also, a maximum age of 30 may have precluded many of the former MT, CSC, MSSC and AHC from joining the ASC at the beginning of its existence (although what they did instead, is not clear)

Another paragraph of this Warrant is of particular interest to me:

6. Volunteers shall serve in Our Army Service Corps on probation for a period not exceeding three months, and at the expiration of that time shall either be transferred to the Corps or remanded to their regiments


GGFather's service record states he transferred to the ASC on 1 November 1872. However, on 19 September 1872, while his former unit - 2/20th - was stationed at Bullevant, Co Cork, GGFather was at Woolwich and writing a private letter on ASC headed notepaper. I now know that this must have been during his 3-month probation and explains the discrepancy in dates.

More info is coming in slowly and I hope that I will be able to post a fuller analysis soon

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Re: ASC project

Postby siegebatteries » 21 Jan 2011 14:21

Another batch of men. It will be noticed that I have less info about these than the previous postings - so more help needed!

1562 Lance-sergeant Cornelius McCARTHY
b c 1848 Ireland
1871: Woolwich – Private ASC with parents-in-law and 7-month-old son (no sign of wife)
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Lance-sergeant ASC. Ashanti medal Coomassie clasp. Medal roll: “Alkankuassia on 31/1/74 and under fire” Discharged at Woolwich

1565 Staff Sergeant John McDONALD
b c 1853 Great Yarmouth
1871: Woolwich – Private ASC
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. 3rd class Staff Sergeant ASC Ashanti Medal roll: Colchester

1574 Sergeant James McLACHLAN
b c 1842 Scotland
1871: Woolwich – 1st Corporal ASC
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Sergeant ASC Ashanti Medal roll: Woolwich
1884: Sudan – “Cond of Stores” AOC. Sudan Medal (Nile clasp)

1825 Lance Sergeant Edward WYLDS
b c 1843 Bath, Somerset
1871: Woolwich – 2nd Corporal ASC
1873/4 West Coast of Africa. Lance Sergeant ASC Medal roll: Woolwich
1881:Lambeth – Chelsea Pensioner (Park constable)

2024 Private Thomas George BANKS
b c 1851 London
1871: Aldershot – Private ASC
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Private ASC. Coomassie clasp Medal roll: “With the convoy attacked on 31/1 and present at Ordahsu under fire” Discharged Aldershot

2638 Private Henry SMITH
b c 1840 Hackney
1871: Woolwich – Private ASC
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Private ASC. Coomassie clasp Medal roll: “With convoy on 31/1/74 and under fire” Aldershot

2642 Private Henry SIMMONS
b c 1853 Reading
1871: Aldershot – Private ASC
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Private ASC. Medal roll: Aldershot

3222 Private George HEARN
b c 1849 Chesham, Bucks son of William and Martha Hearn
1851: Chesham, Bucks with parents (father = agricultural labourer)
1871: Woolwich – Private ASC
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Private ASC. Coomassie clasp Medal roll: “With convoy when attacked on 31/1 and present at Ordahan under fire” Woolwich
m 1876: 2 April, Corporal ASC – married Martha Charlton

3235 2nd Corporal Thomas SWAINE
b c 1850 Trowbridge, Worcs
1870 2 Dec; enlisted in 68th Light Infantry (reg no 1488)
1871 28 Feb transferred to 2/15th Foot (reg no 1865)
1872 1 Nov transferred to ASC
1873 12 Nov promoted 2nd Corporal
1873 4 Dec West Coast of Africa (Ashanti War) 2nd Corporal ASC
1874 1 March departed West Coast of Africa Medal roll: Discharged Aldershot
1874 21 May Discharged by purchase (£18)

3276 Private Samuel CROOSE
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Private ASC Medal roll: Woolwich
1879 South Africa – 1st Corporal Ordnance Supply Dpt ASC. South Africa Medal no clasp
1881 South Africa
1882 Egypt – Sergeant C Coy OSC. Egypt Medal and Khedive Star
1883 reported dead by May

3542 Private John MAINWARING
b c 1842 Hereford
1871: Woolwich – Corporal ASC
1873/4: West Coast of Africa. Private ASC Ashanti Medal roll: Woolwich

3628 Private James WILSON
b c 1847 Bedford
1871: Private ASC
m 1872: 19 May, Plumstead, Kent – Private ASC married Lydia Elizabeth South
1873: 10 May birth of daughter Hannah
1873/4: West Coast of Africa – Private ASC Ashanti medal. Medal roll: Woolwich
1876 18 Oct Woolwich – Lance-corporal ASC, baptism of daughter Hannah
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