Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby Mark » 05 May 2009 08:39

tupara wrote:I am a little curious about the title given to the section on the New Zealand Wars. It seems to have reverted back to the obsolete term, 'Maori Wars'; in New Zealand they are known as the New Zealand Wars.
Then there is the division of the conflicts into a 'first' and 'second' war and the dates given. The New Zealand Wars consisted of five seperate major (and a number of lesser) conflicts:
The Northland War 1845-46,
The North Taranaki War 1860-61,
The Invasion of the Waikato 1863-64,
The South Taranaki War 1864-69,
The East Coast War 1867-72.


Hi Tupara

Interesting thoughts, we can certainly take another look at the structure of the New Zealand sub-forum.

Anyone else want to add any thoughts to this one?

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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby Jonathan » 05 May 2009 14:46

I don't see a problem with changing the title of the sub-forum if there is a more correct name for the wars in New Zealand. However, I don't think we need a sub-forum for each individual conflict.

On a separate but related note, I am beginning to think that some our sub-fora devoted to conflicts in South Africa (e.g. Cape Frontier Wars, Transvaal Rebellion) are not necessary and that the topics therein could be moved to the "Other Campaigns" section. Not that these conflicts are unimportant, but there are other important conflicts that do not have their own sub-fora (e.g. the numerous campaigns in the North West Frontier).

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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby tupara » 06 May 2009 00:17

I was just interested in whether there was a deliberate decision to use 'Maori Wars' over 'New Zealand Wars' . If ,say, there was a conscious effort to use contemporary Victorian names for conflicts throughout the forum then 'Maori Wars' would be the right choice; the more accurate 'New Zealand Wars' didn't come into use until writer James Cowan' publications on the conflict in 1922. I'm not suggesting sub-fora for each of the major conflicts just a little tightening up for the sake of precision, for example, 'The New Zealand wars, 1845-72' or 'The Maori Wars, 1845-72'.
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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby Mark » 06 May 2009 08:49

I think the term "New Zealand Wars" is perhaps better than the current Maori Wars description and the forum staff and I will take a look at this over the next couple of days. I agree that there is no need to create multiple sub-forums for each campaign but a better overall header / sub-forum title is certainly something we can look at.

Thanks for your input guys!

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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby Mark » 20 May 2009 19:04

After some debate and careful consideration the First and Second Maori Wars section has been renamed to "Maori Wars 1845-72" and the sub-forum description altered to reflect this. At this point the term 'New Zealands Wars' has not been adopted as there is some debate as to how wide spread this term is used by academics and historians outside of New Zealand.

I hope this is acceptable to all concerned but please do remember we are always open to suggestions and happy to consider further changes as appropriate.

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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby Jonathan » 20 May 2009 20:48

While we are at it, I propose that we create a new sub-forum for the campaigns and expeditions in the North West Frontier. This area is certainly worthy of its own sub-forum given its importance to and impact on British India.

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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby Mark » 20 May 2009 21:38

Jonathan

Yes there are countless campaigns and actions for the North West Frontier that continued throughout the Victorian period and beyond. Certainly worth considering.

Can anyone suggest a start date for British involvement on the NWF?

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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby Jonathan » 20 May 2009 22:53

I would suggest 1849--the end of 2nd Anglo-Sikh War and the beginning of the HEIC's responsibility for the "administered districts".

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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby Mark » 20 May 2009 23:08

Cheers Jonathan :)

There are some very interesting stories regarding the North West Frontier so a dedicated section would be a great addition to the current structure.

I would love to hear other members thoughts on this too.

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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby Liz » 21 May 2009 01:07

1849 is a nice 'clean' date but there are significant events that happened on the NW frontier before then eg. the annexation of Sindh (however you wish to spell it) and related incidents in 1843-44, not to mention earlier incidents such as the battle of Herat. Where would these go?
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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby Jonathan » 21 May 2009 14:31

I am not wedded to any one date. I know that the 1st Anglo-Afghan War is an area of interest to you, so I gladly defer to your knowledge of the earlier conflicts in the region. :)
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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby Mark » 21 May 2009 17:46

I have in my mind the range of 1839 to 1947 as the period that the British were actively involved on the North West Frontier.

Since the scope of our forum ends in 1913 I was thinking the dates "1839 to 1913". That is from the First Afghan War to just before the the begining of the First World War.

What do other members think?

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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby Jonathan » 21 May 2009 18:14

Sounds great to me. :)
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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby Liz » 22 May 2009 05:07

1838 would be better given that events in this year included:
- the siege of Herat, which contributed to fears of a Russian invasion of India and hence the 1st Afghan War
- the Jodphur campaign

1837 is not necessary. The only military incident I'm aware of in that year in India was the insurrection in Canara - I seem to recall this is south of Goa, ie. somewhat removed from the NW Frontier.
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Re: Forum structure: your likes, dislikes and suggestions

Postby Mark » 22 May 2009 11:32

Ok then folks so are we all happy with dates "1838 to 1913"?

Seems right to me.

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