Distinguishing new surplus from old

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Distinguishing new surplus from old

Postby Frankjersey » 02 May 2017 05:43

Hello. New member and once again apologies. I come across so-called Edwardian mess jackets. And while there not quite the era covered here. Some times I see some labeled late victorian. They seem to look very much like current ones. Any marks to tell the, apart other than labeling. This ones labeled ww1. And again apologies for the era not being covered but I. New to this. They appear all so similar.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/272648592198?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT



http://www.ebay.com/itm/272648592198?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/272648592198?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/272648592198?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT
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Re: Distinguishing new surplus from old

Postby Frogsmile » 02 May 2017 18:07

I am puzzled why in all your posts with links you repeat the exact same image several times?

In this case the ebay caption is wrong, it's not a Royal Engineer Mess dress jacket, but a Sergeant of Grenadier Guards (collar badge and special, regimental chevrons refer), almost certainly post WW2.

Mess dress was originally a mainly officer uniform that evolved from shell jackets (dismounted units) and stable jackets (mounted units) worn unfastened (except at the neck) when dining.

It is possible that sergeants messes emulated this quite early on, as they too had a form of the same upper garment, but there is little photographic evidence to prove it one way or another. However, by the 1890s sergeants messes of units based abroad, where tailoring services were extraordinarily cheap, were definitely wearing their own, similar style of mess uniform. Other than in times of world war and/or austerity, this practice, when affordable (there was no publicly funded issue) has continued ever since.

There is no way to easily differentiate the exact period as published studies are not in the public domain in any detail. It is hoped to resolve this in a project within the Uniformology website over the next few months.

P.S. It would be better to post your queries in the uniforms section of the website (below) rather than this introduction area.
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