HMS Forte 1900-1905

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HMS Forte 1900-1905

Postby stuwismulGen » 15 Jun 2015 02:52

Greeting, s could anyone pls assist with identifying where HMS Forte might have been during this period- My googling hasn’t turned up anything useful.
I’m chasing an ancestor fm the RMLI who was assigned to the HMS Forte in 1902-1905 and was awarded the QSA medal. I’m particularly interested in what/were the vessel served in South Africa- and any ideas about how long it would have taken to get there fm Plymouth in the 1900.
Happy to chase documents if someone can tell me where to hunt.
Thanks in advance for any assistance
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Re: HMS Forte 1900-1905

Postby andy5880 » 15 Jun 2015 05:59

http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/P/03437.html. It was originally HMS Pembroke.
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Re: HMS Forte 1900-1905

Postby stuwismulGen » 15 Jun 2015 15:26

Thanks for that link Andy-not one I'd come across so far… the ex Pembroke was the one before the HMS Forte I was after, and I did find it thru the website index - seems it had quite an experience during the Boer War- putting out to sea seven miles regularly each night to avoid a supposed plan to blow her up at la US warship Maine. I’m still looking for more about the next 4 yrs but at least I have a begining now,
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Re: HMS Forte 1900-1905

Postby andy5880 » 15 Jun 2015 19:54

Gave you that HMS Forte link as it was the first one I came across that had dates that fitted, as it was in service, although not going anywhere, until it was sold in 1905. It seems that the Navy sometimes may have had more than one ship or shore establishment in service with the same name at the same time, I found the name HMS Vivid in use at least twice simultaneously when researching my great grandfather - one was a shore establishment (HMS Vivid 1 - now HMS Drake) and the other was a steam yacht, and there was more than one HMS Victory at the same time.
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Re: HMS Forte 1900-1905

Postby stuwismulGen » 16 Jun 2015 13:28

heavens you'd think that would be confusing wouldn't you. Mind you knowing that there is such a pattern of naming is helpful
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Re: HMS Forte 1900-1905

Postby andy5880 » 16 Jun 2015 22:27

The simultaneous naming had me really confused for a while when it came to HMS Vivid whilst researching Charles Lawrence's Naval career, but knowing what he was doing and where circa 1891-92 helped me to understand it, as there were two HMS Vivids afloat at that time, as well as the shore base HMS Vivid and also 'accounting bases' - Vivid 1 for example, the 'ships books' for this had details of all the men on detached duty who were not on the books of all the other 'Vivids'. It seems this is because the Naval Discipline Act, until 1959, only applied to Officers and men borne on the books of a ship of war, so these nominal accounting bases, with the same name as the depot ship, took care of that and brought them under the Naval Disipline Act. Apparently. In Charles Lawrence's case he was a Coastguard at the time, most likely at a coastguard station (possibly at Devil's Point in Plymouth - more research required) and so needed to be accounted for, hence Vivid 1 on his service records.
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Re: HMS Forte 1900-1905

Postby stuwismulGen » 17 Jun 2015 14:29

There’s clearly more to this than I’d been thinking. I’m following up a G W Dines RMLI – his service record is a very sketchy affair with little more than a single line per year but it puts him on the HMS Forte fm 5 Apr 1902- 15 Feb 1905. I know he was in S Africa for at least part of this as he was wounded and was awarded the QSA but as you can imagine I’d really like to know where specifically he was and then where else he might have been. Maybe I’ll have to wait til I can get to the TNA and look at the’ ships books’ - hopefully they’ll at least acknowledge the RMs!
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