Micholls History of the 17th Lancers

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Micholls History of the 17th Lancers

Postby aramis » 07 Nov 2016 01:44

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I cannot gain access to the very rare A History of the 17th Lancers (Duke of Cambridge's Own), 1895-1924, Vol 2, London, 1931 by G Micholls. There is a snippet view on the Internet which states on, I think, page 206, "In 1834, notwithstanding the dress regulations published that year, the........."(?) Does anyone know what the rest of the paragraph tells us about the uniform?

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Re: Micholls History of the 17th Lancers

Postby jf42 » 10 Nov 2016 21:28

The earlier Historical Record of the Seventeenth Lancers (Cannon, 1841) makes no mention of the 1834 Dress Regs, let alone deviation from them.

The most notable feature in the 1834 Regulations for the Light Cavalry was the change of coat colour from blue to scarlet, first ordered in June 1830. See here, the regulations as they applied to Lancers:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?pg=PA1 ... rs&f=false.

The Historical Record of the Seventeenth Lancers makes clear the Seventeenth complied with this order:

'..Soon after the accession of King William IV, on the 26th of June, the regiment was directed to wear scarlet clothing, with yellow lace, and blue trousers; and to discontinue the moustaches.' (p.71)

So, the snippet you quoted can't be referring to a deviation from that major change. Perhaps there was something else that leaps out to your eye when you look through the Dress Regs. Possibly something to do with the cap -'cloth, colour of the facings ; trencher top, ten inches square' or perhaps the plume-'black cocktail, drooping sixteen inches in front, eight inches at back.' .

One would imagine it was something fairly major and obvious to be worthy of comment, but with the cavalry, you never know.
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Re: Micholls History of the 17th Lancers

Postby jf42 » 10 Nov 2016 23:57

As perhaps you already knew, Volume 1 of the ' History of the Seventeenth', to 1895, written by John Fortescue, can be viewed online, here:

https://archive.org/stream/ahistorythla ... 0/mode/2up

There is reference, on pp. 124 and following, to the order to adopt scarlet jackets and subsequent return to jackets of blue:
https://archive.org/stream/ahistorythla ... 8/mode/2up

Again, no reference to the 1834 Dress Regs, and potential deviations by 'Bingham's Dandies.'

Volume 2 can be delivered to the British Library Readng Rooms in St Pancras, and possibly ordered as a loan.

System number 006790951
Author - personal Fortescue, J. W. (John William), Sir, 1859-1933.
Title A history of the 17th Lancers : (Duke of Cambridge’s Own) / Hon. Sir John William Fortescue and Gilbert Micholls. v. 2, 1895-1924.
Publisher/year [S.l.] : Macmillan, 1931.
Physical descr. 2 v.
Added name Micholls, Gilbert.
Holdings (All) Details
Shelfmark X23/3830 DSC
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Re: Micholls History of the 17th Lancers

Postby londonscot » 27 Feb 2017 21:40

Hello Aramis,

Here is the missing passage from page 206 of Major Gilbert Micholls' "A History of the 17th Lancers."

In 1834, notwithstanding the dress regulations published that year, the 17th Lancers reverted to the pattern of dress jacket adopted in 1829, still wearing scarlet cloth and yellow or gold lace, but resuming the pointed cuff, the fringe at the top of the skirt, and white piping in the arm and back seams.
The uniform of the officers as it was in 1834, is shown by the coloured plate facing page 155 in Fortescue's Record. A drawing of the dress of the privates was made by Salisbury in 1834, but was not reproduced.
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The Dress and Equipment of the 17th Lancers, 1760-1929 forms Appendix J of the history and was compiled by L.E. Buckell.

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