The Army Enlistment Act, 1870

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The Army Enlistment Act, 1870

Postby Peter » 17 Oct 2016 08:22

Does anyone have a copy of The Army Enlistment Act, 1870?

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Re: The Army Enlisted Act, 1870

Postby Frogsmile » 17 Oct 2016 12:03

I haven't been able to find an archived copy online (although I feel sure there must be one somewhere), but here is a very cheap hard copy from a contemporary Edinburgh Journal: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/G-R-Gleig-THE ... 33b913c5db
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Re: The Army Enlisted Act, 1870

Postby Peter » 18 Oct 2016 08:18

Thanks Frogsmile.

Unfortunately, the Blackwood’s is an article which reviews previous Enlistment measures over the preceding 200 years before reviewing the 1880 Act:

What then, in fine, is the judgement …..? It is this: The intentions of the measure are excellent, the arrangements proposed for carrying them into effect are very imperfect (p 18).

So ..... I'm still open to offers.

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Re: The Army Enlisted Act, 1870

Postby Frogsmile » 18 Oct 2016 11:22

Peter wrote:Thanks Frogsmile.

Unfortunately, the Blackwood’s is an article which reviews previous Enlistment measures over the preceding 200 years before reviewing the 1880 Act:

What then, in fine, is the judgement …..? It is this: The intentions of the measure are excellent, the arrangements proposed for carrying them into effect are very imperfect (p 18).

So ..... I'm still open to offers.

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Understood. I will keep a look out. I am surprised it is not more readily accessible given its significance apropos Cardwell/Childers.
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Re: The Army Enlistment Act, 1870

Postby grumpy » 18 Oct 2016 16:16

The Parliamentary debate [if the fine grain is needed!]is at:

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... 18_HOC_211

and this may be of interest, the original tabulations have been lost in copy and paste:

Terms of Engagement

1806 until 1829 Life, or ‘limited service’, of seven years with up to two of seven year extensions up to 21 years Bulletin MHS No.237, Philip Haythornthwaite
1837 at least For life or until medical discharge but end service by purchase up to 7 years £20, thereafter sliding scale to 14 years £5, thereafter free, with pay enhancements for “distinguishing marks” ie. Good Conduct badges. KR 1837 and The Victorian Army at Home (VAH)
1847 10* years, re-engage to 21 years for pension VAH * or 11
1870 12 years, but normally split 6 years colours and 6 years reserve VAH
1870 6 years colours and 6 years reserve The Late Victorian Army
1873 6 years colours and 6 years on reserve or 12 years and no reserve … one or the other Through the Ranks to a Commission
1881 7 years colours and 5 years on reserve VAH
1902 May 3 years colours and 9 on reserve. Army Orders (AO) 117/02
1902 Jul Extensions for those on 3 years or 7 years initial engagement, can extend to 8 years or 12 years AO 159/02
1904 Proposed, not implemented: a ‘2 years with colours plus 6 years reserve’ engagement for Home, or ‘ 9 years with colours plus 3 year reserve’ for general service The Development of the British Army
1904 Nov Terms of service 9 years with colours and 3 years reserve AO 189/04
1905 2 years with colours and 10 years reserve for certain large regiments tentatively examined AO/204/05
1906 Sep to 1914 7 years with colours and 5 years reserve for all. Extensions to 7 years allowed AO 209/06
War 3 years or the duration, and also as above
1918/19 Various expedients to keep Army of Rhine up to strength
1922 Long service = 12 years
1924 7 and 5, or 3 and 9 Guards AO 446 Dec Aled Jones
1932 Guards 7 and 5 or 4 and 8 AO 142 August Aled Jones
1938 Long Service 12 years option 9 more for pension
1947 “normal” is 12 years, or 5 and 7 [sic] Army estimates Aled Jones
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Re: The Army Enlistment Act, 1870

Postby Maureene » 18 Oct 2016 21:42

With grumpy's mention of Parliamentary debate, I have just thought you would be able to access the Act through the online database House of Commons Parliamentary Papers, part of Proquest, using your NSW State Library card (possibly also your National Library of Australia Library card)

General details in the FIBIS Fibiwiki page Subscription websites-online newspapers, journals and directories http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php/Subscri ... irectories

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Re: The Army Enlistment Act, 1870

Postby Peter » 19 Oct 2016 08:12

Thanks Maureen.

I’ve previously searched the PPs for Acts, unsuccessfully. Have just tried again, unsuccessfully. I spoke to a Librarian, who was thinking aloud on this “new” enquiry while trolling through data bases ….. unsuccessfully.

While I’m not convinced the Librarian exhaustively confirmed Acts can’t be so found, I think it’s unlikely. Have you actually done so or were you just raising the possibility?

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Re: The Army Enlistment Act, 1870

Postby Maureene » 19 Oct 2016 13:24

From the description of the contents of Parliamentary Papers, there seem to be Bills

Bills - drafts of legislation, to be reviewed through various parliamentary stages. If the Bill passes through these stages, it will become an Act of Parliament. e.g. 1842, (282) Bill for carrying into effect Treaty between H.M. and Argentine Confederation for Abolition of Slave Trade.
http://parlipapers.chadwyck.co.uk/marketing/guide.jsp

Perhaps you may find something if you search for Bill "Army Enlistment"

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Re: The Army Enlistment Act, 1870

Postby Peter » 20 Oct 2016 09:46

Thanks for your perseverance, Maureen.

The problem I have is that while yesterday’s search identified:

“1870. Army enlistment. A bill to shorten the time of active service in the army, and to amend in certain respects the law of enlistment”,

a six page document which is detailed in itself, it did not include various excepts from the Google Books’ Preview.

I suspect the explanation is that the additional material has been added by regulations:

“The Secretary of State may from time to time by general or special regulations vary the conditions of service ….. “ (p 5, para 18).

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