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WANTED: Socket Bayonet for a P-1838 Musket

Postby 19thranker » 03 Sep 2017 18:13

Hi All,
I just received my reproduction P-1838 British musket from Track of the Wolf made with TRS parts. It has the Lowell bayonet catch on it, as it should. I'm seeking a bayonet for it to complete my living history impression.
Thanks in advance, Mike
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Re: WANTED: Socket Bayonet for a P-1838 Musket

Postby Will Mathieson » 03 Sep 2017 18:36

With it being a repro the barrel diameter may be thicker than originals requiring a repro bayonet of larger inner diameter.
Auctions such as ones on icollector.com or gunbroker.com do have them come up. Also a repro bayonet will not be sharp which is best for the use you plan for it.
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Re: WANTED: Socket Bayonet for a P-1838 Musket

Postby ED, in Los Angeles » 03 Sep 2017 22:47

Mike, first off, that is not a Lowell bayonet catch. The proper term is Lovell's catch. That having been said, your gun has a Hanoverian catch. I think you are going to have a somewhat hard time finding this bayonet.

First off, what is the outside diameter of your barrel, in mm's. A REAL P-1838 bayonet has a muzzle ring diameter of 23.7mm. The P-1839 bayo has slightly larger diameter. You have a repro musket and there is no guarantee the dimensions are exactly the same, or even close.
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Re: WANTED: Socket Bayonet for a P-1838 Musket

Postby 19thranker » 04 Sep 2017 00:13

Thanks to you both for the info. I will check the diameter of the barrel, IF a Hanoverian bayonet might fit, where is a good place to look. Are there any reproduction alternatives out there, even if the fit is a little lose?
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Re: WANTED: Socket Bayonet for a P-1838 Musket

Postby Will Mathieson » 04 Sep 2017 03:12

The company that made the rifle parts may supply bayonets? There are repro Brown Bess bayonets you may be able to adapt to this rifle.
This company here: http://www.veteranarms.com/Reproduction ... onets.html
lists an 1839 bayonet.
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Re: WANTED: Socket Bayonet for a P-1838 Musket

Postby RobD » 04 Sep 2017 15:09

Mike, have a look at this thread to see pics of bayonet catches and bayonet types
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/irishge ... -t906.html
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Re: WANTED: Socket Bayonet for a P-1838 Musket

Postby 19thranker » 07 Sep 2017 19:34

I measured the outer diameter of the P-1838 reproduction barrel, it is about 24 mm. And yes, it does have the Hanoverian catch....any suggestions on an alternative that might fit the musket?
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Re: WANTED: Socket Bayonet for a P-1838 Musket

Postby RobD » 07 Sep 2017 20:13

Hi Mike

the diameters of the various socket bayonets is listed here
http://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identi ... ts_p1.html
At a glance it looks like you are in luck, in that the common Brown Bess bayonet should be a good starting point.Originals are available, but repros are cheap, e.g.
https://www.militaria.co.uk/product/bri ... t-bayonet/
and this one lists the socket size as 25mm [but note the different scabbard fittings]:
http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk/brown-bess ... duct,13443

If you are in the USA, try http://loyalistarms.freeservers.com/bay ... bbards.htm or
http://www.middlesexvillagetrading.com/ ... ies.shtml; they also give instructions how to hand-fit your bayonet to your musket

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Re: WANTED: Socket Bayonet for a P-1838 Musket

Postby 19thranker » 08 Sep 2017 16:11

Is this a Hanoverian catch bayonet?
If so, I would need to notch the Repro Brown Bess bayonet in this fashion. I have a Repro Brown Bess bayonet, it fit the barrel yesterday but the rim is solid all the way around. Before I start grinding, I wanted to make sure this was the correct pattern.
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Re: WANTED: Socket Bayonet for a P-1838 Musket

Postby RobD » 08 Sep 2017 19:25

I could be wrong, but I think the bayonet you show is for the Lovell catch - see http://www.jeffreyhayes.com/bayonets/18 ... ervice.htm for another example.

From what I can see, the principle for your Hanoverian catch is as follows:
- the rim of the bayonet is meant to click under the Hanoverian catch (into the inner notch of the catch; the catch lies exterior to the socket).
- the rotation of the bayonet is all over and done by the stage the Hanoverian catch engages, it is just a fore-and-aft push-and-pull action.
- Just check if you'll be all right just pushing it on and pulling it off. But if the rim is really way too high to snap under the catch, you'd only need to slightly reduce the height of the rim in an arc 180 degrees away from the where the foresight notch is in its final stage of mounting. Looking at the back of the socket, as in the attached pic: the foresight is at 12 o'clock, the bayonet blade at 3 o'clock, and the area of reduced thickness of the rim is at 6 o'clock. Then when the bayonet is cranked 90 degrees to the right and pulled back, the reduced part of the rim will click under your catch.
- Don't grind away too much or it will pull off too easily. Maybe you don't need to grind at all.

As a second adjustment, if you can't see the foresight over the bayonet rim, you'd also grind out a half-moon in line with the foresight (as shown on the attached pic).
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Re: WANTED: Socket Bayonet for a P-1838 Musket

Postby 19thranker » 08 Sep 2017 21:03

Thanks again Rob......I think your suggestions will work, I need to find a Brown Bess bayonet with a 24mm inner diameter in the socket and a 3 to 3 1/2 inch socket, but at least I know where I'm headed now.
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