Webley WG Army Model revolver

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Webley WG Army Model revolver

Postby GrantRCanada » 02 Jul 2012 22:58

The latest addition to my collection of Canadian and British service handguns is this lovely Webley WG Army Model revolver, chambered in .455/.476 -

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This piece, manufactured in 1894, still has most of its original finish, and has a near pristine bore. As you may be aware, this model was likely the most popular Webley for purchase by British Army officers during the late Victorian period ......
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Re: Webley WG Army Model revolver

Postby fantomark » 10 Jul 2012 19:31

HI, Grant!

Fantastic piece!
Congratulations!

I have a slightly earlier version of the WEBLEY WG in my small Victorian Era gun collection: this is an ARMY AND NAVY MODEL 1889.
I ignore actual manufacturing date.
Here are a couple of pics.

Cheers!

Marco
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Re: Webley WG Army Model revolver

Postby Mark » 10 Jul 2012 23:14

Grant, that is a very nice looking piece! I have always admired the Webley revolvers although I have only ever owned a First World War period MKVI.

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Re: Webley WG Army Model revolver

Postby fantomark » 12 Jul 2012 17:13

Yes, Mark!
Webleys are lovely!


My "first Revolver love" was indeed a Webley MK VI.
I saw it (incorrectly , of course) in the hands of Michael Caine in ZULU when I was a kid, and that was the first revolver I bought when at last I could afford one!!
I still occasionally shoot it with more than satisfactory results (for an indifferent shooter like me !) , using Italian Fiocchi .455 ammo - not too often though since they have become indecently expensive!!

(Actually the movies ZULU, KHARTOUM and the 1939 edition of THE FOUR FEATHERS were at the root of my love for Victorian Colonial Warfare )

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Re: Webley WG Army Model revolver

Postby Mark » 12 Jul 2012 17:21

Yes it was the movie Zulu that prompted me to acquire a Webley MKVI. I knew of course that the MKVI did not go into service with the British Army until 1915 but also having a strong interest in the First World War it was a great item to have in my collection. Sadly I have long since sold it and all my other Victorian/WW1 period weapons but any Webley revolver still retains much interest to me. I regret never being able to actually fire one as working pistols like this are not allowed under law in the UK and only deactivated examples can be owned.

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Re: Webley WG Army Model revolver

Postby fantomark » 12 Jul 2012 18:07

HI, Mark!

Yes, I know that under current UK regulations in practice al modern revolvers are banned.
It is really sad: I have several friends from the UK coming here to shoot more freely.
Actually the organizer of our Manifestazione Tiro Storico (shooting competition for historical firearms) is a Brit (Kevin Fisher aka kevino) and a keen member of the VWF.

Hope that one day you can come across and join us!

Here is my MK VI, in the meantime.

All the best!

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Re: Webley WG Army Model revolver

Postby GrantRCanada » 19 Jul 2012 04:44

Marco and Mark:

Apologies for my absence from the discussion: I have just returned home from a 9-day trip to the US to attend the Grand Army of the Frontier Department of the Missouri Muster, held in the (sweltering) heat of central Nebraska .....

I am pleased to report that I used my newly-acquired WG Army Model revolver as my sidearm in the competition, and it performed admirably!

GAF shooting categorizations and competitions are based on the rifle used, with the handgun as a secondary - but nevertheless vital - component of one's kit. I shot the revolver along with my Canadian-marked Mark III Martini-Henry rifle in the Black Powder "Rifleman" (single-shot military main battle rifle) category and placed highest in that category. Unfortunately (and as is often the case in this relatively new organization) due to insufficient numbers the 'smokeless' and 'black powder' competitors were combined into a single "Rifleman" category, in which I only placed second.

There were only 5 or 6 handgun targets on each of the main shooting stages (as opposed to as many as 27 rifle gongs on a stage) but they were important, nonetheless, because it was a "must kill" shoot format - each steel rifle silhouette had to be knocked down (failing which, three hits on that target were required) and a hit had to be scored on each handgun gong ...... most stages also involved 100 yards or so of forward and/or lateral movement through cover. Great fun!
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Re: Webley WG Army Model revolver

Postby fantomark » 19 Jul 2012 09:43

Cogratulations, Grant!

Wish I could join you at one of the GAF events sometime in the future!!!

Ciao!

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Re: Webley WG Army Model revolver

Postby GrantRCanada » 19 Jul 2012 18:21

fantomark wrote:Wish I could join you at one of the GAF events sometime in the future!!!

That would be a great pleasure indeed, Marco!

Wouldn't it be nice if the GAF Department of the International could host a Muster?

Trouble is, where would it be .....? Canada? Italy? Spain? Norway? Australia? (Etc., Etc. ......)
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Postby fantomark » 19 Jul 2012 21:35

Yest it would be fantastic !

We do international SASS Cowboy Action Shooting here in italy, but my dream would be to come to the other side of the Atlantic, one day!

By the way , would my Martini Henry Carbine (please se pic) be acceptable , maybe in some special classes ... ? Here it is not. only lever action and shotguns! :(

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Re: Webley WG Army Model revolver

Postby GrantRCanada » 19 Jul 2012 22:04

Marco:

Your Martini-Henry would not be acceptable in SASS or NCOWS Cowboy Action Shooting main matches over here, either. However, it could be used in NCOWS Long-Range Rifle side matches .... but not even for that in SASS, if I remember correctly, because I think they require an external hammer for long range rifles.
(I am of the somewhat tongue-in-cheek view that they made this rule specifically to exclude that superior British Empire firearm, the Martini-Henry rifle ..... :wink: )

However, in Grand Army of the Frontier shooting competitions, a Martini-Henry would be ideal - I normally use a Canadian-marked Mark III M-H rifle in main-match shooting at GAF Musters .....

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..... except for the National Muster in Texas in 2010, when I competed with a Snider-Enfield Short Rifle -

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I think GAF shooting would definitely be your cup of tea ..... they also have "Era of Expansion" (1900-1916) side matches, which are somewhat akin to the "Wild Bunch" side matches in SASS, also military oriented, and with a much wider array of allowable weapons -

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Re: Webley WG Army Model revolver

Postby fantomark » 19 Jul 2012 22:24

WOW!
fantastic pictures and superb uniforms, mate ... and what nice opportunities you have over there!!
I am green with envy! :mrgreen: !

Here in Italy I can us emy MH carbine and the Long Lee only in General Ex Military firearms competions, where, often I must take on AR-15s , Dragunovs, Garands and the like! Qite an uneven fight! :D

Cheers!

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Re: Webley WG Army Model revolver

Postby fantomark » 25 Jul 2012 20:01

HI!

And here is a pic of a WG "in action" on the NW Frontier of India , 1897...

Simon Ward as "Young Winston Churchill" (Young Winston - 1972)

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Re: Webley WG Army Model revolver

Postby QSAMIKE » 28 Jul 2012 03:47

Good Evening Gentlemen......

Stopped at a garage sale on the way home from work tonight and found the following.....

An un-opened box of .455 revolver ammo.....

Would love to find out what the markings mean, am only gessing that they were made or packaged December 19th, 1930....

Mike
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Re: Webley WG Army Model revolver

Postby Albert J » 28 Jul 2012 04:55

Hi Mike,

The box of ammo, superb by the way, would be Canadian issue December 19, 1930 I believe.

Grant, and Marco...your impressions are top shelf and indicative of your passions for the periods with which you educate others.

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