Swords for I.D. Please......

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Swords for I.D. Please......

Postby QSAMIKE » 28 Nov 2016 18:42

Good Morning Everyone.......

I also have a couple of mystery swords.......

Sword Number One: Has no markings of any kind..... The blade is rust free and in excellent condition...... There have been a couple of suggestions but I would like your opinions please......

Sword One:

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Re: Swords for I.D. Please......

Postby QSAMIKE » 28 Nov 2016 18:46

Sword Number Two: Has no makers markings of any kind it has a serial number on top of the blade..... The interesting this also is the blade is only 3/4 of an inch wide, like a foil......

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Re: Swords for I.D. Please......

Postby jf42 » 29 Nov 2016 01:30

Mike, this is not my area at all, but the second sword in outline bears a close resemblance to sword of my grandfather's. Not able to provide images of that weapon but here are the notes I made:

"Highland Field officer's
Infantry pattern sword

King George V cipher (1910-1936)

Proof mark: 'Proved'

Indicates manufacture by Legge and Co

Associated with premises in Keyham between 1906- 1919 for Naval officers
of Plymouth and Portsmouth Naval Commands."

1892 Blade (from 1891)

1895 Hilt- three quarter basket hilt in plated sheet steel, with a 'scroll' pattern design in pierced strapwork, incorporating royal cipher and crown.

I think the detail on yours is not the Highland thistle motif, and I believe the cypher is 'VR' ( again not my comfort zone).

Here are images of a similar sword off the www. possibly that of a Seaforth's subaltern serving as ADC.

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Re: Swords for I.D. Please......

Postby Will Mathieson » 29 Nov 2016 05:54

First is a French light cavalry officers sword. Second is an 1897 pattern infantry officer sword known as a piquet weight sword used for formal dress occasions when a full size and weight sword was not comfortable to wear.
It's not a Highland sword as they have an ancathus patterned guard and usually a claymore blade.
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Re: Swords for I.D. Please......

Postby QSAMIKE » 29 Nov 2016 06:33

Thank You Very Much Gentlemen......

Thanks Will.....

What is the year / period of the French Sword......

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Re: Swords for I.D. Please......

Postby Will Mathieson » 29 Nov 2016 07:33

The French sword probably 1880's and later, should have a date etched on the spine of the blade, a model date and date of manufacture. I don't have my French cavalry sword reference book handy to get a model date.
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Re: Swords for I.D. Please......

Postby jf42 » 29 Nov 2016 10:26

Will Mathieson wrote: Second is an 1897 pattern infantry officer sword known as a piquet weight sword used for formal dress occasions when a full size and weight sword was not comfortable to wear.
It's not a Highland sword as they have an ancathus patterned guard and usually a claymore blade.


That would tally, as I believe the sword I have relates to my grandfather's service as a General officer from 1932.

Will, are my notes (made a long time ago) relating to 1891 blade and 1895 hilt, as opposed to 1897, completely off?
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Re: Swords for I.D. Please......

Postby Will Mathieson » 29 Nov 2016 14:46

The dumbbell shaped blade was authorized in 1892 and the 1895 guard and 1897 are almost the same except for the 90 degree bend in the guard to prevent uniform wear. The 1897p is worn to this day.
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Re: Swords for I.D. Please......

Postby jf42 » 30 Nov 2016 00:26

Thanks. I'll get it out next week and have another look.
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Re: Swords for I.D. Please......

Postby QSAMIKE » 30 Nov 2016 05:16

Thank You Everyone for all your information......

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Re: Swords for I.D. Please......

Postby Will Mathieson » 30 Nov 2016 15:05

The French sword is an 1822 artillery officers pattern. Originally with horn grip then between 1855-60 changed to a wooden core grip and another modification in 1899 with a pommel nut.
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