ID for 3 Swords, Please?

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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

Postby BingandNelsonFan » 15 Feb 2017 18:09

Hello, again!

I've gotten some more photos of the swords, and this time they are pulled out of the scabbards (as well as closer shots of the hilts). I'm just going to post them one at a time per post, which should make it easier for replying.

All in all, there are twelve different swords --- each posted below in a separate entry.
There are large versions of each photo, so just click the links to see the full size image. I really appreciate help with this and any info or tidbits anyone can add about any of these swords. :)

The blade on several of these seems to have some kind of corrosion or damage. Do they look typical? Is it that some kind of plate is wearing off, or is it rust?

SWORD #1
Two photos of this one:
Sword and Scabbard (full length)
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(1).jpg

Hilt (close-up)
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(2).jpg
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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

Postby BingandNelsonFan » 15 Feb 2017 18:23

SWORD #5
Two photos of this one:
Sword and Scabbard (full length)
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(9).jpg

Hilt (close-up)
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(10).jpg

This is the sword identified as a 1796 Officers Light Cavalry Sword. Hopefully, these photos will give a little more detail, because the blade is quite decorated! There are two brothers in the family who could belong to this one. The oldest one was a Captain in the Cornwall Fencibles (April 1795) and rose to rank of Major before his death in 1797.

The younger brother became an Ensign in the Royal Cornwall Militia in 1792 and continued serving (rising to the rank of Colonel in 1807) for years. I'm thinking it could well be his sword, since he was in for such a long period, but I don't know. What do you think? Does one of those brothers seem more likely to belong to this sword?
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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

Postby BingandNelsonFan » 15 Feb 2017 18:27

SWORD #6
Two photos of this one:
Sword and Scabbard (full length)
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(11).jpg

Hilt (close-up)
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(12).jpg

Thanks to a marvelous post on this forum by Jonathan, I've been reading up on basic sword ID tips. From that, it seems that this would be the Infantry style sword for the 1845-54 period, is that right? The only soldiers I have in the family during those years, are actually in the Navy or the Life, Grenadier and Coldstream Guards . . . would this apply to any?
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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

Postby BingandNelsonFan » 15 Feb 2017 18:29

SWORD #7
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Sword and Scabbard (full length)
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(13).jpg
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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

Postby BingandNelsonFan » 15 Feb 2017 18:31

SWORD #8
Two photos of this one:
Sword and Scabbard (full length)
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(14).jpg

Hilt (close-up)

http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(15).jpg

This looks ceremonial, and as the cypher is for Victoria, I'm wondering if anyone thinks this sword could have fit either of these positions:
Lord Lieutenant of Ireland (1853-1855)
Lord Steward of the Queen's Household (1857-8, 1864-1866)
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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

Postby BingandNelsonFan » 15 Feb 2017 19:20

SWORD #9
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http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(16).jpg
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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

Postby BingandNelsonFan » 15 Feb 2017 19:48

SWORD #11
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http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(20).jpg
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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

Postby Will Mathieson » 15 Feb 2017 20:15

BingandNelsonFan wrote:Hello, again!

I've gotten some more photos of the swords, and this time they are pulled out of the scabbards (as well as closer shots of the hilts). I'm just going to post them one at a time per post, which should make it easier for replying.

All in all, there are twelve different swords --- each posted below in a separate entry.
There are large versions of each photo, so just click the links to see the full size image. I really appreciate help with this and any info or tidbits anyone can add about any of these swords. :)

The blade on several of these seems to have some kind of corrosion or damage. Do they look typical? Is it that some kind of plate is wearing off, or is it rust?

SWORD #1
Two photos of this one:
Sword and Scabbard (full length)

This sword is the 1845p infantry officers sword. I do see personal etching in the form of a family crest on the blade
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(1).jpg

Hilt (close-up)
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(2).jpg
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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

Postby Will Mathieson » 15 Feb 2017 20:18

BingandNelsonFan wrote:SWORD #3
Two photos of this one:
Sword and Scabbard (full length)
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(5).jpg

Hilt (close-up)
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(6).jpg


1845p infantry officer sword, looks like a Wilkinson is there a number stamped on the blades spine near the guard? If Wilkinson sword dates from 1854 onwards the number allows it to be researched for a 18 gbp fee.
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Re: ID for 3 Swords, Please?

Postby Will Mathieson » 15 Feb 2017 20:20

BingandNelsonFan wrote:SWORD #4
Two photos of this one:
Sword and Scabbard (full length)
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(7).jpg

Hilt (close-up)
http://www.sarahbethonline.com/photos/forumpics/pe%20swords%20(8).jpg


Wow another 1845p Wilkinson and your swords have original sword knots, leave them on and do not remove them for any reason because they are too fragile.
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