Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

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Re: 15th Regiment of foot

Postby Frogsmile » 05 Nov 2012 21:22

PC/Inf Gen/111 of 16th July 1872 refers to the first collar badge with numeral 15 at centre.

The revised badge with rose was accepted for service on 22nd December 1881, having been submitted by Messrs Smith & Wright. The rose had an association with the East York Militia, who became a part of the regiment in that same year.

I do not have actual copies of these orders, the information is from Colin Churchill.
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Re: Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

Postby psc945 » 10 Nov 2012 22:04

Excellent thanks.

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Re: Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

Postby psc945 » 25 Dec 2012 01:32

Just got my New tunic now to set it up correctly with detail.
Need Buttons, they should if I have read correctly GS buttons with QVC crowns and brass for O.R.
Now Size I am seeing various changes and sizes.
If I wanted to do between 1881 - 1891
Would I be right in stating the Main front buttons would be 24mm
The rear vent top buttons 24mm
The Shoulder straps 17mm

Have seen these for sale, not sure which are the correct ones.
I am presuming J2E808 and J2E033

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Re: Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

Postby psc945 » 28 Dec 2012 16:11

Now have the Tunic not a bad copy. from Pedelators.
Just needs correct buttons for it. What size buttons for the top of the rear pleats?

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Re: Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

Postby psc945 » 28 Dec 2012 16:18

It would be assumed that as with most regiments that changed from the number of the regiment to the badge of the regiment after the 1881 reforms that the East riding of Yorkshire then would have adopted the star. I do know it appears later in many photo's but have no evidence yet it was directly adopted after the 1881 change. I know it may say they should.
I do understand many used the Queens crown pattern collar badge. Not sure that the 15th of reg did, As You have said previously FROGSMILE it has been documented that the star with a 15 centre was listed as authorised.
As mentioned before many didn't change for a while.
Has anyone seen these 'star' lapel badges anywhere.

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Re: Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

Postby psc945 » 28 Dec 2012 16:32

Need the centre piece for East Yorkshire Reg.
The centre piece shown is for the Green Howards, the 19th Regiment of Foot.
If anyone knows the location of the 15th Regiment / East Yorkshire Regiment one, please let me know.

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Re: Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

Postby Frogsmile » 30 Dec 2012 16:05

psc945 wrote:Need the centre piece for East Yorkshire Reg.
The centre piece shown is for the Green Howards, the 19th Regiment of Foot.
If anyone knows the location of the 15th Regiment / East Yorkshire Regiment one, please let me know.


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Reproductions can be obtained from this seller: http://www.arbeia.demon.co.uk/srs/colle ... bchp78.htm

S.R.S.
PO Box 113,
South Shields,
Tyne & Wear
NE34 6WZ
ENGLAND

Also this one: http://www.militaria.co.uk/badges.asp?C ... catid=5037

Later on you might be able to obtain an original from a militaria auction: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yorkshire-Reg ... 575&ih=022

There are also specialist retailers like these:

1. http://www.athelstanmilitaria.com/home.php?id=1
2. http://www.britisharmybadges.com/shop.php
3. http://www.endicimilitaria.com/shop.php?c=6
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Re: Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

Postby Frogsmile » 30 Dec 2012 16:37

psc945 wrote:It would be assumed that as with most regiments that changed from the number of the regiment to the badge of the regiment after the 1881 reforms that the East riding of Yorkshire then would have adopted the star. I do know it appears later in many photo's but have no evidence yet it was directly adopted after the 1881 change. I know it may say they should.
I do understand many used the Queens crown pattern collar badge. Not sure that the 15th of reg did, As You have said previously FROGSMILE it has been documented that the star with a 15 centre was listed as authorised.
As mentioned before many didn't change for a while.
Has anyone seen these 'star' lapel badges anywhere.

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Here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/East-Yorkshir ... 3f0da0e528

and here: http://www.britishmilitarybadges.co.uk/ ... -1041.html
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Re: Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

Postby psc945 » 30 Dec 2012 18:04

Thanks,FROGSMILE

Have ordered the stars ( pair ) from ebay. I keep looking on ebay.
Also the one from British Military Badges, havent seen that type before looks strange.

Will also check out the other sites mentioned.
It is sometimes a long wait until the item you want is available, or like you say get a repro made.

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Re: Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

Postby Frogsmile » 30 Dec 2012 19:35

psc945 wrote:Just got my New tunic now to set it up correctly with detail.
Need Buttons, they should if I have read correctly GS buttons with QVC crowns and brass for O.R.
Now Size I am seeing various changes and sizes.
If I wanted to do between 1881 - 1891
Would I be right in stating the Main front buttons would be 24mm
The rear vent top buttons 24mm
The Shoulder straps 17mm


In British military dress regulations of the Victorian era, the diameter of buttons was generally measured in 'Lignes' or 'Lines' (abbreviated to 'L') from the original French. 40L = 1 inch = approx 25.4 millimetres

British military buttons traditionally came in a range of four sizes, as follows:

1. Large 35 to 40 lignes (22 to 25mm)
2. Medium 30 to 34 lignes (19 to 22mm) It was the custom at one time to have smaller 'Medium' sized Buttons on the epaulletes.
3. Small 24 to 29 lignes (15 to 18mm) Mounted Buttons are also of this size.
4. Gorget 20 to 23 lignes (13 to 14mm) More recently Gorget Buttons have also been of the 'Small' Size above.

Large buttons are the second most common size found, because they are only worn on the Greatcoat and Officers Service Dress jacket. The greatcoat is no longer on general-issue (now only used for 'Public Duties). Today’s Officers Service Dress jackets have 4 'large' buttons.

Medium buttons are the most common size found, as most uniforms used them. The Officers Service Dress jacket also uses them on the pockets and epaulletes.

Small buttons are fairly scarce. There are only 2 small-sized buttons on a peaked cap - used to secure the chin-strap, or front of the Field Service Cap flap.

Mounted buttons are scarce, They were used on Mess Dress waistcoats and Officers Mess Dress Rank epaulletes. They are made from a Silver Corps or regimental device mounted on a Brass domed button. They are normally only found in ‘Small’ sizes

Gorget buttons are also scarce. And are only used on the coloured patches on Staff & General Officers uniforms.

Screw Post buttons are also fairly scarce, This Medium sized button is used to secure the Officers rank board in the current No1 Dress. (This has a screw instead of a loop) and were previously used on full dress . An officer would only purchase one pair in his service life, unless their was a change of design.

Other Ranks wore 'General Service' buttons from 1871 until after the First World War (the same pattern throughout the Army). although some NCOs were permitted to wear regimental buttons during this period. Regimental pattern buttons continued to be worn by all Officers and Warrant Officers. These buttons however were mainly privately manufactured to a higher standard of finish. Rifle regiments had their own black general service pattern bearing a stringed bugle horn.

After the First World War, Service Dress became the main uniform of the British soldier. Most corps and regiments gradually adopted regimental buttons for their other ranks. These were worn on the Service Dress Jacket primarily, though they were also worn on Greatcoats and Service head dress as well.

In the case of your tunic you are quite correct that medium buttons were used on both the front and the rear piping and the smaller type of medium button on the shoulder straps. See illustrations inadvertently added to my post above.
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Re: Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

Postby psc945 » 23 Feb 2013 12:00

Thanks to your assistance and references given, have now obtained buttons for tunic.
Just received a grey shirt from Pedalators. Nicely made. Attached pic, just need the correct buttons for this, they have put bone like buttons on the front and cuffs, two on cuffs is not victorian I would suggest, so need to reduce to one. But what type was common at the time.

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Re: Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

Postby Frogsmile » 25 Feb 2013 15:00

psc945 wrote:Thanks to your assistance and references given, have now obtained buttons for tunic.
Just received a grey shirt from Pedalators. Nicely made. Attached pic, just need the correct buttons for this, they have put bone like buttons on the front and cuffs, two on cuffs is not victorian I would suggest, so need to reduce to one. But what type was common at the time.



I think that buttons were eventually made of zinc, as that was cheaper than bone, but I am not sure when they were introduced.
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Re: Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

Postby psc945 » 15 Apr 2013 20:34

Have put on the zinc coated type buttons, reduced the sleeve buttons to one each arm. Now just found the centre for the helmet plate, hopefully will arrive in a couple of weeks and I am set .

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Re: Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

Postby Frogsmile » 16 Apr 2013 10:17

psc945 wrote:Have put on the zinc coated type buttons, reduced the sleeve buttons to one each arm. Now just found the centre for the helmet plate, hopefully will arrive in a couple of weeks and I am set .



That's good news. You have been painstaking in your research and attempts to be as authentic as possible and that is admirable when representing a bygone era I think.

One final point, I have recently read that only the Scots regiments had a red tuft, or toorie on their glengarry caps, with the remainder having black. I had earlier thought that Royal regiments had red. What is clear is that many regiments fitted a piece of red felt behind their glengarry badges, in order to frame and emphasise the central device.
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Re: Uniform of the 15th Regiment of foot

Postby psc945 » 16 Apr 2013 22:54

Yep, still need to soak up more info.
Appreciate the help from those with more knowledge than myself.

Have replaced the red Toorie with a black pom pom I made, with some tuition from my better half, they seem to have the skill to make those types of things. This is also using a generation of passed down skill.

Just trying to find out now how they blacked the canvas for the 'oilskin' at present, mainly curiosity.

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