MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby Albert J » 30 Jun 2015 23:58

The rivets referred to on the AWM are the two that hold the buff leather loop that the shoulder braces pass through at mid back.
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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby rd72 » 01 Jul 2015 00:06

Gregory,

Not a problem, and thanks for the clarifying remarks...

I suspect that there is a mistype on the web sight... Although there are much more learned than I on the subject, I have never seen mentioned more than two type os P88 belt.... I suspect that your summation (the typo) and resulting "wild goose chase" are correct...

I would second the comment from James about the "rivet" passage... it does indeed refer to the sliding keeper that holds the braces together in the small of the back...
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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby gregory128 » 02 Jul 2015 00:24

I stand corrected by both of you. With foresight i made blatant errors on my behalf, too optimistic. My hats off to you James. The question which James brought up now is what is it? Is it a slade wallace belt? What date? The buckle is queens crown so pre 1901. The braces do not seems to conform to any of the regulations yet is certainly is not a new piece. Sadly no markings yet i great deal of time and effort has gone into producing the item. This little chat has merely made me more inquisitive into this items origins.
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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby Albert J » 02 Jul 2015 12:01

gregory128,

I have no doubt of it's pre 1902 origins. Many Colonial units, as well as some British officer's, adopted non conventional equipment during the 2nd Anglo Boer War, much of which was made of brown leather. Some New Zealand units had a similar set to yours, though with some differences. I believe there might even be pics posted in this forum.

Conservation: A mild cleaning with saddle soap will remove dirt and grim and add a little oil back into the leather. Afterwards I would condition the leathers with Picards (found in the USA) or Hide Food (found in the UK) both products are great for bringing life back to old dry leather. When the second treatment is complete, a light coating of leather wax, like Swiss "REX" (Riemenwachs) will add luster and preserve the leather after a light buffing for many years to come.

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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby gregory128 » 02 Jul 2015 14:39

Your advice is much appreciated James, il post pictures of the finished product once the grimes been wiped.
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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby rd72 » 02 Jul 2015 17:22

Looking forward to your results, Gregory.
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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby gregory128 » 02 Sep 2015 21:00

Not perfect, but its looks better then it did before. I know the frock isn't quite historically correct sorry but its the best i can do.

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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby AlexReece » 10 Jan 2016 17:42

Hi Guys

I have seen these small pouches that I think was worn on the 1888 SW braces ? I have not seen any original images with this pouch worn.

The pouch is not documented in Pierre Turners Book and can anybody cast more light on these seem to be rare pouch or even if they do belong to the Slade Wallace Equipment ?

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One of the famous Simkin prints shown below with what appears to be the pouch in question worn with the SW ?

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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby timothylrose » 10 Jan 2016 19:19

They are for the spare magazine for the Lee Metford as I recall - that's why the early rifles had the magazine attached with the chain link to allow them to drop one and quickly replace with another fully loaded mag - atb Tim
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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby AlexReece » 10 Jan 2016 19:29

timothylrose wrote:They are for the spare magazine for the Lee Metford as I recall - that's why the early rifles had the magazine attached with the chain link to allow them to drop one and quickly replace with another fully loaded mag - atb Tim


Cheers Tim

Yea that makes sense, don't see many around ? hope someone has an original image to post of one being worn in the field.

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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby rd72 » 11 Jan 2016 06:23

HI there. It certainly has the appropriate straps on the back for vertically mounting on the brace, doesn't it?

I haven't seen any examples with the adjustable strap on the outside. Interesting. Maybe it's for closure when empty or full? I wonder if the small tab on top is for attachment to the buckle at the front of the brace so the pouch is held at a consistent height above the main pouch?

In the pictures and artwork I have seen, there isn't a strap but rather a simple flap with a noticeable angle to it to accommodate the magazine upside down (I would think)..

Might you obtain measurements? I can provide those for the Mk I mag to see if they match...

They were introduced with the equipment in 1888 but were withdrawn in 1890 LoC 6233 (and the spare magazines LoC 6235) which would explain their rarity.

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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby AlexReece » 11 Jan 2016 09:31

Hi Rob

I have only seen one more of this pattern and it was for sale at Stewarts Militaria in the US, it was mounted on a Cavalry Cross Belt and Pouch equipment ( MK2/MK3 ) but I'm not sure that it was meant to be worn in service that way ?
Yes I would think that the strap added could be for attachment to the braces like you stated maybe a later version Lee-Metford pouch that I would think have had a very short service life, and few numbers made, hence why not many are seen of this type ?
But that askes the question why make a different pattern pouch as the originals had such a short service life ?

Excellent images Rob and thank you for your input, I shall obtain sizes and the link from Stewarts.


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A similar if not the same pattern pouch attached to a buff cross belt and pouch, I don't think the pouch was intended for use this way mounted on a cross belt but looks like it fits right ???

The link to the page is below.

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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby AlexReece » 11 Jan 2016 20:28

The similar pattern pouch on a buff cross belt.

http://www.stewartsmilitaryantiques.com ... rchive.htm

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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby GrantRCanada » 11 Jan 2016 20:38

Mention of this type of pouch having been seen on a set of cavalry equipment reminded me that the MLM/MLE cavalry carbines had 6-round single-stack magazines - smaller than the original 8-round single-stack and later 10-round staggered-stack rifle magazines. Might that explain the difference in configuration and possibly also size? (Mind you, the P'1888 .303 bandolier was available for mounted troops right from the outset ...)
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Re: MASTER THREAD: Slade-Wallace Equipment

Postby GrantRCanada » 11 Jan 2016 20:44

Only after posting the above did I see the photos posted by AlexReese ... presumably the buff cross-belt with its rear pouch would only have been worn in a "dress" or "ceremonial" order of some sort, for which a brown leather bandolier would have been inappropriate, so maybe it is feasible that this is indeed a spare magazine pouch for cavalry ....
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