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Mess dress jacket patter dating.

Postby Frankjersey » 24 Sep 2017 21:50

Just looking to date this pattern stable or mess dress jacket. Maybe a rough estimate.
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Re: Mess dress jacket patter dating.

Postby Frogsmile » 24 Sep 2017 22:54

That is the pattern shown in the 1883 dress regulations. It began to gradually go out of fashion from 1894, when the Foot Guards adopted an open jacket with roll collar. Gradually the line regiments followed suit and by 1900 of the scarlet clad regiments only the Prince Albert's (Somerset) Light Infantry were still wearing the closed, upright collar pattern.
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Re: Mess dress jacket patter dating.

Postby Frankjersey » 24 Sep 2017 23:16

Thanks. It's strange. I read someone's listing. It said these jackets pictured below were dated 1898 or about and they still had not favored roll top collars by then?
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Re: Mess dress jacket patter dating.

Postby Frogsmile » 24 Sep 2017 23:34

Frank I was referring to the 69 line infantry regiments. There were also cavalry and support arms and 'departments' (small specialised units), all of which had their own pattern of mess dress. These are listed in relevant dress regulations: 1883, 1891, 1900, 1904, 1913. It was not until 1904 that ALL units had adopted the roll collar pattern. There were also a great many more units, also regulated, in the comparatively large British-Indian Army (Sikhs, Jats, Punjabis, Dogras, Gurkhas, etc.) through until 1947.

N.B. The last jackets you showed are all light cavalry.
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Re: Mess dress jacket patter dating.

Postby Frankjersey » 25 Sep 2017 03:03

Aaah. So these are indeed late 1800s still? There beautiful examples. One was listed as medical staff. Thanks Mark.
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Re: Mess dress jacket patter dating.

Postby Frankjersey » 25 Sep 2017 03:46

The first of the two is attributed to one Col. Gooden.
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Re: Mess dress jacket patter dating.

Postby Frogsmile » 25 Sep 2017 06:23

Frankjersey wrote:The first of the two is attributed to one Col. Gooden.


If there is one with black velvet collar and cuffs then it could well be Army Medical Staff. Yes, they are late 1800s. The Indian Medical Staff wore the same but with differing insignia.
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