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Uniform identification please.

Postby Quartermastergeneral » 02 Aug 2017 13:32

We recently bought this interesting watercolour of an un-named soldier and are hoping that , with some luck, identifying the uniform along with what we know of the medals may help us identify the soldier.

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From what we know the collar looks too high for the period of the medals. Could it possibly his father’s uniform ??

Any thoughts on the model of sword ?

With medals from the 1st Carlist War in Spain. 1834 – 1839 Brits there from 1837
Spain paid for mercenaries with the blessing of the British Government
10,000 volunteers went with some royal marines / engineers ??

Silver medal – Siege of St. Sebastian – 1st engagment of British Auxiliary Forces
Oval medal – battle of Irun
Brest Pad and Cross – San Fernando Military Order – generally given for bravery

He has some of the Carlist medals but not all.



Any help you can offer will be gratefully received. And if we can help you that would be our pleasure
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Re: Uniform identification please.

Postby jf42 » 02 Aug 2017 22:32

As you can see from this print, dated 1830, showing grenadiers of the 1st of Foot, the uniform looks accurate for the 1830s

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By his cuffs, the officer appears to belong to a regiment with white facings (although they might be pale buff). In 1844 regiments with white facings included:

17th Leicestershire Regiment
32nd Cornwall Regiment
40th 2nd Somersetshire Regiment
41st Welsh Regiment
43rd Monmouthshire Regiment
47th Lancashire Regiment
59th 2nd Nottinghamshire Regimentt
65th 2nd Yorkshire North Riding Regiment
98th Regiment

The blue and crimson sash should provide additional clues to the regiment's identity.
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Re: Uniform identification please.

Postby Frogsmile » 03 Aug 2017 11:49

A sergeant's sash in blue and crimson usually indicated a regiment with a Royal title. For some reason I am unable to see the original poster's subject image. Officers' sashes were all crimson.
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Re: Uniform identification please.

Postby t100 » 03 Aug 2017 14:01

Frogsmile wrote:Officers sashes were all crimson.
In line with Frogsmile's comment, I think this is the artist's rendition of crimson, mixing red and blue paint, with more blue used for the shadow. It probably looked fine at the time but has faded to show distinct colours.
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Re: Uniform identification please.

Postby Frogsmile » 03 Aug 2017 16:54

Strangely I can see the original image now. I agree with t100 regarding the fading of original water colours used to tint the sash, although I am perplexed that the trousers outer stripe appears to be white (unless they are levee trousers) and I suspect that the artist forgot to paint it in with scarlet. Failing that, perhaps it was a feature of the British Auxiliary Legion, who wore a uniform very similar, but not in every respect identical to British regulars.

British styled uniforms of this era were unusually generic compared with later periods and without sight of the design on a regimental shoulder belt plate (primarily) and button (secondly), it is virtually impossible to identify the precise regiment. We can say that he is of field rank, as evidenced by the epaullettes on each shoulder and the sword belt and carriage (company rank had the cross/shoulder belt mode of sword carriage).
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Re: Uniform identification please.

Postby Frogsmile » 04 Aug 2017 13:31

Pale yellow does seem to have been a (the?) facing colour used, including by the 7th (Irish Light Infantry) Regiment of the BAL.

There is an interesting anecdote regarding the BAL here: http://www.priaulxlibrary.co.uk/article ... gion-18367

An ORBAT listing the regiments can be seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxiliary_Legion
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