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Help dating staff stable dress jackets

PostPosted: 30 Jul 2017 22:45
by Frankjersey
These are labeled a staff officers Victorian dress jacket and royal engineers stable uniform. Both Victorian patterns. Once more I'm concerned as often these are wrongly labeled and I rely on the expertise of this forum to point me. The right direction. Cheers. And thank you. I may have to post pics in two replys.

Re: Help dating staff stable dress jackets

PostPosted: 30 Jul 2017 22:52
by Frankjersey
Here's the royal engineers.

Re: Help dating staff stable dress jackets

PostPosted: 03 Aug 2017 11:52
by Frogsmile
Buttons are key for an ID. Can you show photos of them? The first jacket is definitely for mess wear.

Re: Help dating staff stable dress jackets

PostPosted: 11 Aug 2017 03:33
by Frankjersey
I picked up the first jacket. Few questions. One. Were these stable dress jackets meant only to be closed with one button hook on the neck because There's only one visible? Two.the closure is Frayed can it be fixed. And I've also included a picture of the button hopefully it can be identified.

Re: Help dating staff stable dress jackets

PostPosted: 11 Aug 2017 09:51
by Frogsmile
The buttons are for the Corps of Royal Engineers of the pattern worn between 1855 and 1902. The neck fastening for the mess dress jacket that evolved from the stable jacket was a 2inch loop of gold gimp cord that was fastened under slight tension to the hook opposite. It would be difficult to repair the short remaining length and you will probably need to replace it if you wish to make a display on a mannequin. If you look at the collar of the other jacket you can see that the loop is still complete and in place. Gold coloured lace equals a regular, silver lace equals a Militia officer of auxiliary forces.

Re: Help dating staff stable dress jackets

PostPosted: 11 Aug 2017 13:35
by Frankjersey
awesome to know. probably just leave it open then. wouldn't know how to replace it. I wasn't aware they only wore it fastened closed by the neck. thanks.

Re: Help dating staff stable dress jackets

PostPosted: 11 Aug 2017 17:32
by Frogsmile
Frankjersey wrote:awesome to know. probably just leave it open then. wouldn't know how to replace it. I wasn't aware they only wore it fastened closed by the neck. thanks.


Only the later, purely mess dress version had just the loop, the earlier pattern that was also used for duty in barracks, could be fastened all the way up the front via a series of hooks and eyes (the enlisted men's - British 'other ranks' - version had buttons).

Re: Help dating staff stable dress jackets

PostPosted: 12 Aug 2017 21:23
by Frankjersey
Thanks. I apprecaite it. Would you just replace the whole chord as far as fixing the hangin loop. Is that a certain type of thread?

Re: Help dating staff stable dress jackets

PostPosted: 12 Aug 2017 21:33
by Frogsmile
Frankjersey wrote:Thanks. I apprecaite it. Would you just replace the whole chord as far as fixing the hangin loop. Is that a certain type of thread?


Yes, replace the whole loop. A military tailor in Canada would be your best source. You could send it by post.