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Help dating uniform jackets.

Postby Frankjersey » 26 Jul 2017 18:02

Hoping someone can help me date these two coats. One I see labeled as a British Boer War Khaki tunic. And the second as simply a pre war royalarmy ordinance corps jacket and hat. First I'll post the Boer war jacket. And the reply will be the ordinance jacket. Thank you very much. As always.
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Re: Help dating uniform jackets.

Postby Frankjersey » 26 Jul 2017 18:06

Here's the ROAC. Pre ww2.
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Re: Help dating uniform jackets.

Postby Frogsmile » 26 Jul 2017 20:00

The first tunic is not British. The bee oriented insignia must be significant, but I am unclear what it is. Pope Urban VIII had bees as family insignia so I wonder if it might be related to the Papal Guard. It is also the oldest emblem of the Sovereigns of France

The second tunic is indeed an officer's pattern full dress tunic for the Royal Army Ordnance Corps before WW1, although the collar badges are post 1918, from the period when full dress was made optional for 'levees' (audiences with the Sovereign) and regimental jamborees.
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Re: Help dating uniform jackets.

Postby jf42 » 26 Jul 2017 20:02

Frank, I think it's fairly safe to say that the first item is not a Boer war khaki tunic. Boer war period it might be. For a start the colour does not lie withing the spectrum of khaki or drab worn by the British army, even allowing for fading. At a first glance it looks like it might be a Volunteer battalion tunic, but as the colour seems on a closer examination to be off- white rather than Volunteer/Elcho/ French grey favoured by some units, that seems unlikely. The lack of shoulder straps and cuffs decoration raises the possibility that this might not be a military item at all. Alternatively, it may not be British.

Key to the identification will be the beehive insignia on the buttons of the garment. The emblem may prove to be part of the livery of a club or association, or of a private individual.

That said, I shall step aside and let those with more expertise delve further.
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Re: Help dating uniform jackets.

Postby Frankjersey » 26 Jul 2017 20:50

Thank you guys. Yes. I could not find any thing in any image that matched the first one. I appreciate the help.
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Re: Help dating uniform jackets.

Postby Frankjersey » 28 Jul 2017 13:01

These are the crown buttons that are on the rear of the supposed Boer war jacket. Hoping someone can I.d them. It's only two on the bottom. Maybe someone mismatched them. But may e it's a clue.
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Re: Help dating uniform jackets.

Postby Frogsmile » 28 Jul 2017 13:51

Frankjersey wrote:These are the crown buttons that are on the rear of the supposed Boer war jacket. Hoping someone can I.d them. It's only two on the bottom. Maybe someone mismatched them. But may e it's a clue.


They are not regimental, but quite generic buttons as used by some Colonial prison and police services.
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Re: Help dating uniform jackets.

Postby Frankjersey » 28 Jul 2017 15:27

I don't know what to google amymore lol I'm beffudled.
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