ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

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ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

Postby Derbys » 04 Jun 2017 17:43

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Hello
Recently given what I 'think' is a Naval Cutlass Bayonet (poss 1858 pattern ? ) but I'm not sure. Only markings are on the blade - on one side is an arrow, the letters EFD, a crown and also what appears to be a mark which reminds me of a propellor or crossed blades of some sort. On the other side is stamped what appears to be the number 10. The blade is around 27 1/2 or 28 inches long. The metal tip to the scabbard is gone.
Any help to ID would be most appreciated.
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Re: ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

Postby AlexReece » 04 Jun 2017 21:27

Hello Chris

Looks nice condition

EFD=Royal Arms Factory Enfield

Inspection stamp

X=Armorers Bend Test...

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Re: ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

Postby Derbys » 04 Jun 2017 21:47

Thanks Alex, much appreciated. At the narrow end of the hilt, at the end of the grip, is a hole which I'm assuming is for a sword know - I wonder if anyone could describe what this would look like ? It would also be interesting to know what date and which ranks would have carried this.
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Re: ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

Postby ED, in Los Angeles » 04 Jun 2017 22:30

It is a Pattern 1900 Naval sword/cutlass and the '01 marking signifies a maker date of 1901. NOT a bayo.
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Re: ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

Postby Derbys » 05 Jun 2017 08:42

Hi Ed, many thanks. Now I have a date, it will be interesting to find out which ranks would have used it, when it went out of use etc. Thanks again. Chris
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Re: ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

Postby Will Mathieson » 05 Jun 2017 14:26

This cutlass was obsolete when it was made.

Google "cutlass" and it will tell you who wears it and when.
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Re: ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

Postby Derbys » 05 Jun 2017 15:14

Hi Will, thank you for directing me to Google (can't think why I didn't start there, obviously). I think I'll clean it up a little and hang it on the wall. Cheers, Chris.
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Re: ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

Postby Frogsmile » 06 Jun 2017 09:46

Obsolete or not, they were still carried by RN shore parties at that time. I recall that formed bodies of RN personnel were armed with them, in addition to firearms, during the relief of Pekin, circa 1900.
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Re: ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

Postby Will Mathieson » 08 Jun 2017 01:43

These cutlass are becoming scarce especially the cutlass with fullered blades. In the last few years I've only seen two for sale and I bought one of them.
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Re: ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

Postby Derbys » 06 Aug 2017 15:33

Thanks again. Would the cutlass have been carried on a crossbelt or a frog ? - seems very large & heavy to be on a frog. Also, would there have been a sword knot of some description given the apparent arrachment for one.?
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Re: ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

Postby Will Mathieson » 06 Aug 2017 21:06

Cutlass were not worn except when necessary in battle or shore parties. Most of the time they were held in the ships armoury.
Period photos would show how they were worn and this may differ from time periods.
This link has a photo being worn on a belt circ. 1900. http://www.cerberus.com.au/contemporary2.html
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Re: ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

Postby Derbys » 07 Aug 2017 15:31

Thanks Will.
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Re: ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

Postby Josh&Historyland » 20 Aug 2017 18:14

Can anyone tell me when Cutlass bayonets were adopted?

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Re: ID please - Naval Cutlass Bayonet ?

Postby Frogsmile » 20 Aug 2017 19:26

Josh&Historyland wrote:Can anyone tell me when Cutlass bayonets were adopted?

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It was introduced in 1858, Josh, and based upon the 1845 pattern Naval
Cutlass. It was heavy and thus unwieldy and not a success. As a result it was shortlived. You can learn more here: http://www.armsregister.com/articles/ar ... yonets.pdf
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Postby Josh&Historyland » 21 Aug 2017 17:22

Thanks! This may be a silly follow up but could the rifled musket be fitted with an ordinary bayonet?
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