Help to ID Medals in Photo

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Help to ID Medals in Photo

Postby BingandNelsonFan » 07 Mar 2017 15:49

Hi! Hoping that someone can ID the medals worn by this Gentleman. The photo has to be between 1859 and 1888. The gentleman shown is actually German (photographed in Italy) who served with the Russian Army. However, he did marry an English woman in 1859 and spent a deal of time in that country. Not sure if he served there, as well, and am hoping the medals might give a bit of a clue.

Thanks so much!
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Re: Help to ID Medals in Photo

Postby Frogsmile » 07 Mar 2017 19:32

The white cross appears very similar to the Order of St John of Jerusalem, of which there were several levels of award. The one shown looks like the most basic. The other cross, with swords, looks like a Croix De Guerre. There were French and Belgian versions of the latter and other countries, including even Germany copied the classic design, so that the medals alone look very similar from a distance, with only the ribbon giving a clear ID once closer.
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Re: Help to ID Medals in Photo

Postby crimea1854 » 08 Mar 2017 09:23

Just to confirm Frogsmile's view, but also to suggest that it might be the Russian Order of St Anne, 3rd Class.

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Re: Help to ID Medals in Photo

Postby Frogsmile » 08 Mar 2017 16:46

crimea1854 wrote:Just to confirm Frogsmile's view, but also to suggest that it might be the Russian Order of St Anne, 3rd Class.

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It's certainly the right shape Martin, although I think we would be able to identify some reflection on enamelled arms of the cross if it were that decoration.
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Re: Help to ID Medals in Photo

Postby crimea1854 » 08 Mar 2017 16:53

I thought since he served with the Russian Army it was a possible contender.
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Re: Help to ID Medals in Photo

Postby Frogsmile » 08 Mar 2017 18:01

crimea1854 wrote:I thought since he served with the Russian Army it was a possible contender.


Yes, it seems logical and crossed my mind, but I feel we would be able to see the enamel. The cross he wears seems neither, dark enough, nor shiny enough to be red enamel. That said I cannot see how he would be eligible for a French or Belgian decoration pre-WW1.
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Re: Help to ID Medals in Photo

Postby BingandNelsonFan » 10 Mar 2017 13:31

Great thoughts, Gentlemen!

The Belgian idea would work well, as I know that he did do something there . . . at least, he was affiliated with them in some way. A Russian order would make sense, too, so I will see about asking someone familiar with those. If I get any more info, I'll post it here! Thanks a lot for the help!
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Re: Help to ID Medals in Photo

Postby mconrad » 11 Mar 2017 00:15

If he served in the Russian army, he is probably in Russian army lists (spiski), many of which are on line, and of course list honors held. What is his name?
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