theironduke1 wrote:Thanks to you all Grumpy, Zerostate and Frogsmile. A most enlightening response. Frogsmile .. I do have the Cavalry arm badge book and you are right, it is a great resource beyond the arm badges. I also think that as Grumpy states regimental funding and COs decisions had as much influence as regulations. Because it is the British Army, one can take nothing for granted and that photographic evidence needs to be weighed against regulations (or vice-versa) when researching.
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I am sorry that I was timed out before I could finish....but here is what I wanted to finish that post with:
Those then are the generics. Turning to the Hussars specifically, if you do not already have it, there is an excellent booklet readily available online by AH Bowling: https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/Sear ... sars&isbn=
(this booklet is superb value for money and repays investment thrice over).
In his seminal works, Uniforms of the British Army (2 Vols - from Simkin Prints), W Y Carman makes no mention of NCOs wearing gold cord/lace, referring only to ORs with yellow cord and officers with gold, but this is flawed, as it makes no use of plentiful photographic evidence to the contrary.
Much better is the soft back book by Lt Col P S Walton, Simkins Soldiers, the British Army in 1890, that as well as Simkin prints, draws on some excellent, albeit small B&W photos. https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/Book ... S%2BWalton
Among the photos are two that make quite clear the wearing of gold lace/cord by staff sergeants of Hussars. One image shows the 4th (Queen's Own) Hussars and the other the 19th (Alexandra' Princess of Wales's Own) Hussars. The image of the 4th shows the RSM, a "TSM" (who I believe is a staff sergeant (Fencing and Gymnastics Instr)) and a trooper, all in mounted review order. The image of the 19th has four figures, a TSM and two R&F in stable jackets, and a trooper in review order (i.e. frogged dolman).
Because the film used is orthochromatic, the yellow cords of the rank and file show as dark and barely distinguishable from the base colour of the garment itself. Conversely, the staff sergeants gold lace shows bright and gives compelling proof that there was that clear difference in decoration to hussar uniform, both on dolman (frogging) and stable jacket (collar lace). The evidence is incontrovertible.
The following then are what I believe to be the patterns of hussar full dress upper garments (Dolman):
1. First Class
. Superior cloth with plain round gold
cord, and (probably) toggle (olivet) fasteners for the warrant officer post 1881. Pillbox caps were fine cloth and had a band of matching gold lace.
2. Sergeant Class
. Superior quality cloth (same as first class) with plain round golden yellow
worsted cord lace and frogging. Pillbox caps were fine cloth and had a band of gold lace (less 13th Hussars - white).
3. Rank and File
. Basic quality cloth (but probably better than the infantry equivalent) and plain golden yellow worsted
cord (same pattern as used by RA and RE for cuff knots). This class of garment was also worn by lance sergeants when that appointment was introduced, as the substantive rank remained that of R&F (see single, dismounted image of 11th Hussar). Pillbox caps were of a more coarse material with a band of yellow wool (less 13th Hussars).
The reason that so little of this survives is that ORs uniforms were by regulation "reduced to rags" once no longer serviceable and, as round gold cord was expensive, it was frequently re-used if in good condition. Regimental tailors (and his horde of 'boy' (apprentice) tailors) were responsible for this 'interior economy' and cord could be readily removed from an old dolman and 'reversed' short lengths re-used for, e.g. cuff knots. There are strict instructions for the maintenance (cleaning) of gold lace in both CRs and DRs of that time.
As regards badge backings, note the image of a 13th Hussars trumpeter with his wife, where all badges are backed in white
and yellow frogging appears dark.
The mounted QMS shows RQMS Knowlden as depicted in the Navy & Army Illustrated 31st May 1898, stating that he had served 23 years in the regiment. His arm badges are of interest. Whereas the sergeants and second class staff sergeants wore the sterling silver arm badge, first class staff sergeants, like Knowlden, wore an embroidered version. His rank chevrons were only worn on the right sleeve, in this case underneath the gold cord Austrian knot. The eight pointed embroidered star is part of his rank as Quartermaster Sgt. All these badges are edged in crimson
cloth, as are those worn by Lance Sergeant Brearley, shown below him.
In the image of a 14th Hussar (Winmole) you can see clearly the deeply curved and padded rank stripes that I referred to above. Notice the gold lace that trims his stable jacket to mark his status as a staff sergeant.
I hope that this helps.