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An interesting photo

Postby Stuart_Bates » 09 Mar 2017 07:22

Any comments welcome on this Boer War photo. At least I am assuming Boer War.

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Who are these gentlemen? For a hi-res version see http://www.militarysunhelmets.com/2017/ ... ts-welcome.

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Re: An interesting photo

Postby SWB » 10 Mar 2017 08:41

Hello Stuart

Super photo, your assumption is correct.

My observations, apologies for being obvious:

1. Clean and tidy uniforms, newly arrived
2. Rank badges and shoulder titles still to be removed
3. If not beginning of war then I would say this a volunteer/militia battalion. I would need to check but I think most regular battalions arrived in theatre within the first six months? Just guessing.
4. Location: damn flat, just one large kopje right rear; western central Cape? A quiet area where volunteer/militia battalions operated

Can you get super sized images of the should titles and the medal ribbons please.

Hope this helps.

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Re: An interesting photo

Postby Stuart_Bates » 10 Mar 2017 09:19

Hi Meurig,

here is the best that I can do on the Lieutenant's pips and shoulder title.

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Can't make out the titles but the pips look rather amateurish. Note the scale of age from portly middle-aged to rather young. And the types of tunics.

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Re: An interesting photo

Postby Stuart_Bates » 10 Mar 2017 09:22

And a medal ribbon.

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Re: An interesting photo

Postby Stuart_Bates » 10 Mar 2017 09:24

A shoulder badge?

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Re: An interesting photo

Postby jf42 » 10 Mar 2017 11:12

Age-range and girths certainly suggest a second line unit.
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Re: An interesting photo

Postby Redcoat 57 » 10 Mar 2017 23:31

This is a puzzle! As has been said the age range and the neat uniforms suggest newly arrived Volunteers. The officer on the left has caught the sun, which again suggests a new arrival! But I would have thought there would have been a few more medals in evidence amongst the older officers? And definitely no dark green V.D. ribbon to be seen?
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Re: An interesting photo

Postby grumpy » 10 Mar 2017 23:43

on the assumption that the group is earlier than May 1902, the "lieutenant" is a captain, and those without ranking are 2Lts.
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Re: An interesting photo

Postby mconrad » 11 Mar 2017 00:08

Does the wristwatch on the center front man help date it? I though wristwatches were a Great War thing, but this is obviously years before then.
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Re: An interesting photo

Postby Redcoat 57 » 11 Mar 2017 00:51

Wrist watches became very popular with officers in the 1890s; Mappin and Webb brought out their 'Campaign Watch' in 1898. It was just a normal pocket watch with a leather wrist strap which seems to be what he is wearing. You can almost see the time! 2 o'clock?
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Re: An interesting photo

Postby Stuart_Bates » 11 Mar 2017 02:36

grumpy wrote:on the assumption that the group is earlier than May 1902, the "lieutenant" is a captain, and those without ranking are 2Lts.


Grumpy,

you are as always correct, so a slap on the wrist for me. Still an interesting photo.

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Re: An interesting photo

Postby Stuart_Bates » 11 Mar 2017 02:41

Redcoat 57 wrote:The officer on the left has caught the sun, which again suggests a new arrival!


Nice pickup Redcoat. The area were the chinstrap was worn is clearly visible.

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Re: An interesting photo

Postby SWB » 11 Mar 2017 09:39

Thanks Stuart, and all for those interesting comments, the chinstrap is so obvious now!

Looking at the shoulder title image - my first impression was "SWB". I took a copy, rotated it, applied various filters and to me the central letter really looks like a 'W'. You will have to save this image to your pc and zoom in.

The medal ribbon on the Major could be a 1897 Jubilee - thin blue, white, blue, thin blue - it looks white/blue?/white. The ribbon on the Colonel (?) in the centre is certainly similar - pale/mid (not dark)/pale.

The 3rd bn SWB served in the west central cape from Feb 1900. Their Colonel - Charles Healey was awarded an 1897 Jubilee. I cannot find any pictures of him.

The problem comes in that I cannot find any other officer of the battalion with a Jubilee medal of any description. As to VDs, not sure where to check.

Happy to be accused of wishful thinking on the regimental title, and I realise there I cannot find two officers with Jubilee medals (allowing for issues with Ancestry's index).

Also - would a militia battalion have such young (looking) officers?

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Re: An interesting photo

Postby Stuart_Bates » 12 Mar 2017 00:51

Hi Meurig,

the highest res photo that I have can be found here http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ytzkaq&s=9. I still cannot upload anything greater than 700 x 700 and I am, again, getting no notifications on threads that I subscribe to.

What with failing eyesight and being colour-blind I have to rely on others.

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Re: An interesting photo

Postby Redcoat 57 » 12 Mar 2017 12:42

I had no idea that Militia battalions were deployed to South Africa! I think the Militia get over shadowed by the Volunteers in this period, and now I think about it were the Militia even eligible for Volunteer Decorations? This is definitely an area I would like to investigate. Does anyone have any recommendations for Militia reading/reseach?

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