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Brothers in the Boer War

Postby Andy2015 » 28 Dec 2015 20:52

Hope you are all well and had a good Christmas

I am looking into a family with a military history in the black Watch in the Boer war and WW1.
So far okay on the WW1 research but new to the Boer War.

Alexander Morrison Born Montrose, Scotland. 1880/1881- 1902.
2nd Black Watch, royal Highland Regiment.
Died in Umballa, India in 1902.
I guess he was a guard there?
Newspaper article in Feb 1902 notes him as ill with enteric.
So far i am learning about the Boer war and unsure where to look to find any records of his service? service no, possible medical records or records of his death? etc
Also:
William Morrison, Born Montrose, 1874 - 1915. Service no. 3997. 2nd Black Watch.
Was a Boer war prisoner and released in 1902.
So far best i have discovered he was taken prisoner at Magerfontein after the battle on 11th Dec 1899.
Released in 1902 http://www.blackwatch.50megs.com/magsprison.html
He went on to serve in WW1 and was killed as a Lance Corporal on 9.5.1915 at Aubers Ridge with the Black watch.

Are there any searches i can do anywhere for anything like service records, service numbers, medal rolls etc for the Boer war.
I have Ancestry, Findmypast and Forces war records but struggling to locate anything?

Best wishes and thank you for any replies.
Andy
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Re: Brothers in the Boer War

Postby SWB » 28 Dec 2015 23:02

Hello Andy

Ancestry have medal rolls
FindmyPast has service records
ForcesWarRecords - not sure what they have but from I what I have seen their Anglo-Boer War records are pretty poor and nothing different from Ancestry, FmP or free searches

Not all service papers have survived, you will need to do searches using different parameters as it the indexing is variable. Also, generally papers for service men who died in the Army were destroyed so you may not locate any for Alexander Morrison.

Good luck.
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Re: Brothers in the Boer War

Postby Bushman » 29 Dec 2015 00:26

Hi Andy
I note your following comment
Was a Boer war prisoner and released in 1902.
The Boers really held Prisoners captured between 1899 and mid 1900 when nearly all if not all were released by the advance of the British Army. After that prisoners were held only briefly stripped of horse, weapons, ammunition and usually clothing and then turned loose
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Re: Brothers in the Boer War

Postby Bushman » 29 Dec 2015 01:00

You will need to do some detailed work on attestation papers for these brothers as there were three W Morrisons in the 2nd Battalion nos 3997,4666, and 5241 as well as an A Morrison in the 2nd Battalion no 3625 and one in the 1st Bn no 4905
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Re: Brothers in the Boer War

Postby Andy2015 » 29 Dec 2015 12:04

Bushman wrote:Hi Andy
I note your following comment
Was a Boer war prisoner and released in 1902.
The Boers really held Prisoners captured between 1899 and mid 1900 when nearly all if not all were released by the advance of the British Army. After that prisoners were held only briefly stripped of horse, weapons, ammunition and usually clothing and then turned loose


Thanks for that, i so far looked at the actions of the Black watch and am still learning about the Boer wars.
Interesting tip, know he was a prisoner in 1902, reported in a paper in Feb 1902, so will take a look at possible actions at that time?
Thanks for the info
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Re: Brothers in the Boer War

Postby Andy2015 » 29 Dec 2015 12:24

Bushman wrote:You will need to do some detailed work on attestation papers for these brothers as there were three W Morrisons in the 2nd Battalion nos 3997,4666, and 5241 as well as an A Morrison in the 2nd Battalion no 3625 and one in the 1st Bn no 4905


Hi
Thanks for replying, i deducted service no 3997 by a newspaper clipping from Feb 1902 mentioning the 3 morrison brothers, as brother Alexander was reported ill with enteric and brother William who was a prisoner taken at Magersfontein, and still in South Africa.
I assumed he was taken prison at the battle of Magersfontein, which googling initially brought up the battle for the black watch in Dec 1899, and i guess it doesn't say he was still a prisoner in 1902? so was probably released and was still serving there? or taken in a battle in 1902?
In further searches i found..
http://www.blackwatch.50megs.com/magsprison.html
And found a William Morrison service no. 3997.
So you can see my research so far, by far concrete but a good start as i am clueless!
He could have been any of the service numbers above i guess i just went with the 3997 as a released prisoner and write up from the newspaper article.
Are there any service records that can be found? like the ones above and we can crosscheck personal details, parents, addresses etc?
Thanks for your time in replying.
Best wishes
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Re: Brothers in the Boer War

Postby RobD » 29 Dec 2015 13:26

Dear Andy,
Bushman is right - it would be really remarkable if your relative was held prisoner till 1902.
From June 1900 onwards the Boers were operating as a guerilla force in the veld, almost all their towns having fallen. The Boers, as I have read it, released their prisoners-of-war as they left the towns.
After June 1900, they tended to strip captured enemy of kit and send them on their way on foot. I have not heard any account of British prisoners being moved about with the commandos, nor of any British troops changing allegiance and joining the Boers.
Thus, if you can find documentation of his being held in captivity till 1902, it would prove fascinating reading!
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Re: Brothers in the Boer War

Postby Andy2015 » 29 Dec 2015 15:04

RobD wrote:Dear Andy,
Bushman is right - it would be really remarkable if your relative was held prisoner till 1902.
From June 1900 onwards the Boers were operating as a guerilla force in the veld, almost all their towns having fallen. The Boers, as I have read it, released their prisoners-of-war as they left the towns.
After June 1900, they tended to strip captured enemy of kit and send them on their way on foot. I have not heard any account of British prisoners being moved about with the commandos, nor of any British troops changing allegiance and joining the Boers.
Thus, if you can find documentation of his being held in captivity till 1902, it would prove fascinating reading!
Rob


Thanks Rob
Think i need to be looking for actions the Black watch were in at the end of 1901 into 1902 where he would have been taken prisoner at magersfontein possibly?
Every days a school day!
Thanks for replying.
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Re: Brothers in the Boer War

Postby QSAMIKE » 29 Dec 2015 18:17

Suggest that you might like to look here:

http://www.angloboerwar.com/unit-inform ... lack-watch

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Re: Brothers in the Boer War

Postby QSAMIKE » 29 Dec 2015 18:43

Also looked in the Black Watch medal roll book, 1801 to 1911, published 1913 and found the following Morrison's in the South African Roll.....

2nd BATTALION ROYAL HIGHLANDERS (BLACK WATCH)

4666 PRIVATE W. MORRISON, CAPE COLONY, ORANGE FREE STATE, TRANSVAAL, KING’S MEDAL, HOME ON DEMOBILIZATION

3625 PRIVATE A. MORRISON,PAARDEBERG, DRIEFONTEIN, WITTEBERGEN, KING’S MEDAL, HOME ON DEMOBILIZATION

3997 PRIVATE W. MORRISON, CAPE COLONY, ORANGE FREE STATE, TRANSVAAL, KING’S MEDAL, HOME ON DEMOBILIZATION

3702 PRIVATE J. MORRISON, CAPE COLONY, SOUTH AFRICA 1901, HOME TIME EXPIRED

5245 LANCE-CORPORAL P. MORRISON,PAARDEBERG, DRIEFONTEIN, WITTEBERGEN, CAPE COLONY, TRANSVAAL, KING’S MEDAL, HOME ON DEMOBILIZATION

5541 PRIVATE W. MORRISON, CAPE COLONY, ORANGE FREE STATE, KING’S MEDAL, HOME ON DEMOBILIZATION

MOUNTED INFANTRY BLACK WATCH

7855 PRIVATE A. MORRISON, ORANGE FREE STATE, SOUTH AFRICA 1902

7869 PRIVATE F.W. MORRISON, ORANGE FREE STATE, SOUTH AFRICA 1902

1st BATTALION ROYAL HIGHLANDERS (BLACK WATCH)

5797 PRIVATE WILLIAM MORRISON, ORANGE FREE STATE, TRANSVAAL, SOUTH AFRICA 1901, SOUTH AFRICA 1902

4905 PRIVATE ALEXANDER MORRISON, ORANGE FREE STATE, TRANSVAAL, SOUTH AFRICA 1901, SOUTH AFRICA 1902

6305 PRIVATE JOSEPH MORRISON, ORANGE FREE STATE, TRANSVAAL, SOUTH AFRICA 1901, SOUTH AFRICA 1902

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Re: Brothers in the Boer War

Postby Andy2015 » 29 Dec 2015 19:03

QSAMIKE wrote:Also looked in the Black Watch medal roll book, 1801 to 1911, published 1913 and found the following Morrison's in the South African Roll.....

2nd BATTALION ROYAL HIGHLANDERS (BLACK WATCH)

4666 PRIVATE W. MORRISON, CAPE COLONY, ORANGE FREE STATE, TRANSVAAL, KING’S MEDAL, HOME ON DEMOBILIZATION

3625 PRIVATE A. MORRISON,PAARDEBERG, DRIEFONTEIN, WITTEBERGEN, KING’S MEDAL, HOME ON DEMOBILIZATION

3997 PRIVATE W. MORRISON, CAPE COLONY, ORANGE FREE STATE, TRANSVAAL, KING’S MEDAL, HOME ON DEMOBILIZATION

3702 PRIVATE J. MORRISON, CAPE COLONY, SOUTH AFRICA 1901, HOME TIME EXPIRED

5245 LANCE-CORPORAL P. MORRISON,PAARDEBERG, DRIEFONTEIN, WITTEBERGEN, CAPE COLONY, TRANSVAAL, KING’S MEDAL, HOME ON DEMOBILIZATION

5541 PRIVATE W. MORRISON, CAPE COLONY, ORANGE FREE STATE, KING’S MEDAL, HOME ON DEMOBILIZATION

MOUNTED INFANTRY BLACK WATCH

7855 PRIVATE A. MORRISON, ORANGE FREE STATE, SOUTH AFRICA 1902

7869 PRIVATE F.W. MORRISON, ORANGE FREE STATE, SOUTH AFRICA 1902

1st BATTALION ROYAL HIGHLANDERS (BLACK WATCH)

5797 PRIVATE WILLIAM MORRISON, ORANGE FREE STATE, TRANSVAAL, SOUTH AFRICA 1901, SOUTH AFRICA 1902

4905 PRIVATE ALEXANDER MORRISON, ORANGE FREE STATE, TRANSVAAL, SOUTH AFRICA 1901, SOUTH AFRICA 1902

6305 PRIVATE JOSEPH MORRISON, ORANGE FREE STATE, TRANSVAAL, SOUTH AFRICA 1901, SOUTH AFRICA 1902

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Thanks
Lots to digest there? he could be any of them?
Unless i can rely on the brothers newspaper article about him been a prisoner in 1902 and the coincidence of the prison release record for 1902 for a W Morrison Service no. 3997?
What is your opinion of the evidence so far?
Interesting facts above also mention Alexander who was his brother who died in Umballa in 1902, so a good start there for possible service numbers?
They do have a history in WW1 of all being in the Black Watch?
On Williams CWGC certificate he was with the 1st Btn Black Watch in 1915.
Plenty to think about there..
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Re: Brothers in the Boer War

Postby SWB » 29 Dec 2015 19:44

Andy

Can you post a link to the newspaper article or the article itself where it mentions he was POW in 1902?

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Re: Brothers in the Boer War

Postby Andy2015 » 29 Dec 2015 19:49

Here, currently researching the Morrison brothers of Montrose.
Paper mentions the 3 brothers.
slowly building a background on each one..
Clipping here..
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Re: Brothers in the Boer War

Postby Andy2015 » 29 Dec 2015 20:28

Link here to my hobby site where i help others find relatives military past, still alot to learn but enjoying the journey?
http://www.ww1familyhistoryresearch.co. ... m-morrison
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Re: Brothers in the Boer War

Postby SWB » 29 Dec 2015 20:41

Thanks Andy, the wording of the newspaper report is a little odd with regards William; it does not say explicitly he is still POW, just that he remains in SA (with the Army).
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