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21st Lancers

Postby faceman62 » 11 Oct 2012 21:28

Can anyone let me know where I can find details of the 21st Lancers activities from 1883-1903. That was the approximate service term of my Gt Grandad.
Any info would be much appreciated
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Re: 21st Lancers

Postby Albert J » 11 Oct 2012 23:54

Faceman62,
This should get you on the right track. http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=21st_Hussars From here you should be able to find more detailed information and specifics to meet your requirements, or at least put you in the right direction. Prior to 1897 the 21st were Hussars.

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Re: 21st Lancers

Postby faceman62 » 12 Oct 2012 20:40

Thanks James.

That gives me a new direction.
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Re: 21st Lancers

Postby Philip Wilson » 24 Oct 2012 21:55

What was your Great Grandfather's name ? If he served with the 21st Lancers at Omdurman then he will be listed as such with biographical details in Forgotten Heroes - The Charge of the 21st Lancers at Omdurman by Roy Dutton published in 2012.

I do have a copy of the book here but am not offering to look every name up.

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Re: 21st Lancers

Postby faceman62 » 31 Oct 2012 22:46

Philip Wilson wrote:What was your Great Grandfather's name ? If he served with the 21st Lancers at Omdurman then he will be listed as such with biographical details in Forgotten Heroes - The Charge of the 21st Lancers at Omdurman by Roy Dutton published in 2012.

I do have a copy of the book here but am not offering to look every name up.

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Hi Phillip.

I've just got some intel from QRL museum on that subject. My Gt.Grandfather, 4044 E.N.Fowler was with "A" Sqdn (or troop) at Omdurman where I guess he was under the leadership of one Winston Churchill.
He was awarded the Queen’s Sudan Medal and Khedive’s Sudan Medal with the clasp ‘Khartoum’. (I'd love to find them).
He is also shown on the Muster Roll at Abbassiyeh Barracks, Cairo in 1899 for the Nile expedition.
But I'd love to know if he is mentioned in the book, I'd get a copy to show my mum.

Thanks
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Re: 21st Lancers

Postby Philip Wilson » 06 Nov 2012 23:53

4044 FOWLER, Private Ernest Noel (A Squadron)

Status: Rode in the Charge
Confirmed by: Cairo Roll, Kerri Roll, Hick's Scroll, Q.S Medal Roll and K.S Medal Roll.
Born -
Enlisted -
Medals: Queen's Sudan Medal, Khedive's Sudan Medal with Khartoum clasp.

Ernest Noel FOWLER also served in South Africa until 1903. His service ended in 1905. He joined the army at 16 in about 1893/4 and served with the 21st Lancers (Victorian Wars Forum Nov.2010)

The above details can be found on page 90 of The Charge of the 21st Lancers. Although this is an exceptionally short entry compared with others in the book, if you obtain a copy and read the entries for those who served with A Squadron then you will gain a far greater appreciation of what they actually experianced.
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Re: 21st Lancers

Postby faceman62 » 08 Nov 2012 00:00

Thanks again Phillip.

I'm not sure if you have any knowledge about this? But I have a snippet of intel saying he also served with the 16th Lancers
aswell as the 21st. Would he have the same number or at that time, would each regt issue their own ?
I have found an E.N.Fowler(4523) 16th Lancers, same enitials etc but obviously the number is different.

Again if your good self or anyone else can shed light on this it would be very much appreciated.

Paul



Philip Wilson wrote:4044 FOWLER, Private Ernest Noel (A Squadron)

Status: Rode in the Charge
Confirmed by: Cairo Roll, Kerri Roll, Hick's Scroll, Q.S Medal Roll and K.S Medal Roll.
Born -
Enlisted -
Medals: Queen's Sudan Medal, Khedive's Sudan Medal with Khartoum clasp.

Ernest Noel FOWLER also served in South Africa until 1903. His service ended in 1905. He joined the army at 16 in about 1893/4 and served with the 21st Lancers (Victorian Wars Forum Nov.2010)

The above details can be found on page 90 of The Charge of the 21st Lancers. Although this is an exceptionally short entry compared with others in the book, if you obtain a copy and read the entries for those who served with A Squadron then you will gain a far greater appreciation of what they actually experianced.
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Re: 21st Lancers

Postby Philip Wilson » 08 Nov 2012 11:01

The chances are that its the same person - a check on Ancestry might confirm this. To confirm this you need his date of birth. His Regimental number would change at the point of transfer to another Regiment hence you find many with the same number serving in different Regiments up until approx 1917 when the Army introduced a block allocation of long numbers to each Regiment/Unit. The details can be found in The Long Long Trail - see Great War Forum.
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Re: 21st Lancers

Postby faceman62 » 10 Jan 2016 11:07

Wow. It's been a while!
Well I've found out a fair bit since my last post regarding my great grandad.
To me, one of the most interesting facts is that his brother (William) also rode at Omdurman with D sqdr.

Also the 4523 E.N.Fowler in the 16th Lancers is him, after he transferred there circa 1901. Where he kind of fell off the rails a bit and ended up in jail (possibly a couple of times) before being discharged in "ignominy" in 1903.

He later stood tall (all 5'5 of him) in 1915 and volunteered to join th T/F with the London regt where served in France and Belgium
before a snipers bullet found him in 1917 and he was sent home.
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