Black Watch Leaves UK for Egypt Nov 1882

For all discussions relating to the Egyptian and Sudanese campaigns fought between 1882 and 1898.

Black Watch Leaves UK for Egypt Nov 1882

Postby MMP » 03 Sep 2017 07:29

My grandfather's Black Watch papers state that he served in Egypt from Nov 1882 to 30 April 1886. I would like to find evidence about the 2nd btn. Black Watch leaving the UK in Nov 1882 but can only find reference to the 1st btn. being ordered to Egypt on 21 July 1882 and sailing from Albert Docks, Woolich on the troopship SS Nepal, bound for Alexandria, the 2nd btn. remaining in Britain. (Highland Furies, Victoria Schofield 1988, p.510).
MMP
New Member
 
Posts: 4
Joined: 22 Jul 2017 07:34

Re: Black Watch Leaves UK for Egypt Nov 1882

Postby crimea1854 » 03 Sep 2017 16:16

Given the high number of casualties the 42nd suffered at Tel-el-Kebir it is possible that your man was sent out as a replacement for the 1st Battalion, particularly since they left Cairo on the SS Poonah for Malta on 1st May 1886, which closely ties in with his service dates.

It is also possible he saw action during the Sudan campaign; have you checked the medal roll?

Martin
Last edited by crimea1854 on 09 Sep 2017 08:49, edited 1 time in total.
crimea1854
Veteran Member
 
Posts: 928
Joined: 05 Jul 2008 08:39

Re: Black Watch Leaves UK for Egypt Nov 1882

Postby jf42 » 04 Sep 2017 18:55

MMP, you won't find information re. the departure of the 2nd Bn Black Watch for Egypt since the purpose of creating two battalion regiments under the Childers reforms of 1881 (from the 42nd & 73rd regiments in the case of The Black Watch) was to ensure that, under normal circumstances, one battalion of each regiment would always be serving 'at home', providing troops for national defence and for expeditionary forces when required, as well as acting as a source of trained recruits to be drafted to the other battalion stationed somewhere in the Empire.

As indicated in Victoria Schofield's 'Highland Furies', the 2nd Battalion having arrived from India (as the 73rd Perthshire Regiment) earlier in 1881, were stationed in the British Isles until their departure for South Africa in October 1899.
User avatar
jf42
Senior Veteran member
 
Posts: 2242
Joined: 10 Mar 2011 15:12

Re: Black Watch Leaves UK for Egypt Nov 1882

Postby MMP » 09 Sep 2017 07:15

Many thanks for both replies. Could it be that men from the 2nd Batt. Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) left at home when the 1st btn sailed for Egypt in July 1882 were transferred to the 1st batt. when they sailed out of Portsmouth on 12 Nov 1882? I've found the following article in newspaper archives: NAVAL AND MILITARY INTELLIGENCE Monday 13 November 1882, p.5, Issue 34441, British Library Newspapers Part II: 1800-1900. "Portsmouth Sunday. The transport Iberia sailed from here yesterday with reinforcements for the army of occupation in Egypt. She had on board 42 officers and drafts from the following regiments:- 19th Hussars (53 non-commissioned officers and men), 1st Batt. Shropshire Lt. In. (124), 2nd Batt. Duke of Cornwall's Lt. In (208), 2nd Batt. Highland Lt. In (84), 1st Batt ROYAL HIGHLANDERS (156), 1st Batt. Berkshire Regt (81), 2nd Batt. Royal Irish Regt (205), 1st Batt. Royal Sussex Regt (73) and Army Hospital Corps." My grandfather's military record states that his Egypt service began on 10 November 1882, which seems to fit with this report. Any ideas where I could confirm this newspaper article with official army records please? Also, would it be possible to locate a passenger list for this journey on the Iberia?
MMP
New Member
 
Posts: 4
Joined: 22 Jul 2017 07:34

Re: Black Watch Leaves UK for Egypt Nov 1882

Postby crimea1854 » 09 Sep 2017 08:54

Since he would be travelling on a troopship it is highly unlikely that there is a passenger list. Your best bet is to consult the various muster rolls at the National Archives.

Given the 1st Battalion's later service in the Sudan, a check of the medal roll could confirm your man's service with this battalion. If you can provide a name and Regt. number I will happily do a look-up for you.

Martin
crimea1854
Veteran Member
 
Posts: 928
Joined: 05 Jul 2008 08:39

Re: Black Watch Leaves UK for Egypt Nov 1882

Postby MMP » 11 Sep 2017 07:51

Thanks for helpful information Martin. I've discovered via National Archives website that the muster rolls are held by The Black Watch Museum in Perth so need to visit there. If you can direct me to the best location/website to search for medals I will look - perhaps Ancestry?
MMP
New Member
 
Posts: 4
Joined: 22 Jul 2017 07:34

Re: Black Watch Leaves UK for Egypt Nov 1882

Postby crimea1854 » 11 Sep 2017 13:39

I would have used Ancestry, so an obvious place to start.
crimea1854
Veteran Member
 
Posts: 928
Joined: 05 Jul 2008 08:39

Re: Black Watch Leaves UK for Egypt Nov 1882

Postby MMP » 12 Sep 2017 08:04

Thanks. I will do search for his medals on Ancestry.
MMP
New Member
 
Posts: 4
Joined: 22 Jul 2017 07:34


Return to Egypt & Sudan 1882-98

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests