Cypher on British Sword bought in Sudan

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Cypher on British Sword bought in Sudan

Postby Mangosteen » 29 Feb 2016 13:28

Hi

I picked up a sword in Khartoum when I worked there between 2001 and 2003.
It has a Cypher and I cannot tell if it's from the reign of Queen Victoria or the current Queen Elizabeth.

There are no other markings other than its a Wilkinson Malemuke sword.

Would appreciate if there was any opinion on the age given the Cypher.
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Re: Cypher on British Sword bought in Sudan

Postby Mangosteen » 29 Feb 2016 13:32

Here is a photo of the Cypher from Wilkinson
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Re: Cypher on British Sword bought in Sudan

Postby QSAMIKE » 01 Mar 2016 04:58

Looks like QE2 but can you tell us the serial number that is on the top of the blade.......

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Re: Cypher on British Sword bought in Sudan

Postby Mangosteen » 01 Mar 2016 05:53

Mike the sword is just 80 km north of you near DIDSBURY.
I cannot find any serial number on it. Looked everywhere.
Is it possible the serial number is under the wooden handgrip if I removed them?
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Re: Cypher on British Sword bought in Sudan

Postby Mangosteen » 01 Mar 2016 05:56

Here is a photo of the complete sword
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Re: Cypher on British Sword bought in Sudan

Postby QSAMIKE » 01 Mar 2016 21:39

Do not remove the grips, it would be on the top of the blade, let me do some more looking......

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Re: Cypher on British Sword bought in Sudan

Postby ED, in Los Angeles » 02 Mar 2016 02:18

I have seen that cypher on other newer Wilkinson swords. It is "The Royal Warrant of Appointment" cypher of abdicating George VI.
It is seen on ERII sword blades, and unless the warrant has been revoked, it can still be used on blades today.

Now come on....you don't believe me?

http://www.fieldserviceantiquearms.co.u ... 1001-p.asp

It is a "seal of approval" or endorsement.

What this sword is, military, foreign military, fraternal, Chinese knock off or private purchase sword, I dunno.
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Re: Cypher on British Sword bought in Sudan

Postby ED, in Los Angeles » 02 Mar 2016 02:21

Oh yeah...one other thing, the "Made in England" phrase and the varnish coming off the seemingly plated crossguard, put the date as post war. Post WWII. Not Zulu war.
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Re: Cypher on British Sword bought in Sudan

Postby Will Mathieson » 02 Mar 2016 06:46

Appears to date from the 1970's to 1990's. Wilkinson made quantities of presentation swords along with patterns to sell and the owner then would have something engraved on it if they desired. Some sold to people just wishing for a Wilkinson.
This is one of the nicer modern swords Wilkinsons made with a pleasing scabbard.
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