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Highlanders Question

Postby AZ1 » 12 May 2016 13:50

Gentlemen

Currently I am painting some 28mm Crimean War Highlanders and
I wondered how Highland regiments, with all ranks wearing the flank company style 'wings', denote or differentiate Grenadiers within the unit? Was it only by a grenade on their buttons?

Obviously line regts' light and grenadier companies have the bigger wings than the tufted regulars but not so with the Highlanders since 1822 so I'm wondering if I'm missing something obvious. I can't find anything useful on t'interwebz about it.

Also I am not sure about the colour of the 79th regt's hackle.. Green or White?

And help is much appreciated!

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Re: Highlanders Question

Postby jf42 » 10 Jul 2016 23:19

Andy, I was sorry to miss this. You may by now have found answers elsewhere but flank coys of the 42nd and 93rd in the Crimea certainly wore company insignia on their forage caps (plain Kilmarnock and diced Glengarry respectively) and the 42nd had flank insignia incorporated in the regimental badge worn with the feather bonnet.

The 79th wore a white feather in the feather bonnet along with all other Highland regiments, other than the 42nd. However we do have the image of the 79th in the David Cunliffe group painting of 1853, which appears to show the light coy Sgt wearing a green feather twenty odd years after standard flank distinctions were done away with for the Highland regiments.
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Re: Highlanders Question

Postby Josh&Historyland » 11 Jul 2016 00:53

JF, would the grenade/bugle horn be part of the hackle pin or occupy the frontal position?

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Re: Highlanders Question

Postby jf42 » 11 Jul 2016 07:50

Hi Josh. There are photos from 1855-56 of the 42nd Light company in the Crimea wearing plain blue Kilmarnocks bonnets with bugle insignia above the regimental number, and there is a surviving glengarry of the 93rd in the A&SH museum, mounted with a large grenade badge on a red backing.
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There is also the well-known photo of the 72nd DoAO Highlanders from Cundall & Howlet's 'Crimean Heroes' set which which shows Private Harper of the Light Company wearing a distinctive shaped Kilmarnock bonnet with a lozenge shaped plate with a bugle symbol.

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In the case of the last two examples it may be that a band of dicing precluded wearing of both flank insignia and regimental numbers but I don't think this was the practice with the glengarry bonnet anyway. The test would be what was worn on the bonnets of the flank coys in the 79th. My impression is that this was an aesthetic decision, coupled with the problem with that too much metal on one face of the cap would make the glengarry difficult to wear.

As for the bonnet badges worn by the flank coys of the 42nd circa 1820-1845, these were oddly cluttered designs with the flank badge perched on the rump of the Sphinx. For battalion coys and officers the figure of St Andrew and his cross occupied that place.

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Re: Highlanders Question

Postby Will Mathieson » 13 Jul 2016 15:57

I believe these diamond shaped buttons were only used for 2 years in the Crimea.
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Re: Highlanders Question

Postby rd72 » 13 Jul 2016 23:01

Will Mathieson wrote:I believe these diamond shaped buttons were only used for 2 years in the Crimea.


Theoretically... They were worn on the '55 pattern double breasted doublet... some of which did certainly reach the Crimea either as new issue or (perhaps more commonly) with drafts and reinforcements. This pattern doublet was superseded the very next year with the '56 pattern which had round buttons and was single breasted...

So to say that they were "in use for two years" is relying on theoretical dates of issue rather than perhaps what actually was found there.

Minor point, yes.
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Re: Highlanders Question

Postby jf42 » 14 Jul 2016 07:28

rd72 wrote:
Will Mathieson wrote:I believe these diamond shaped buttons were only used for 2 years in the Crimea.


Theoretically... They were worn on the '55 pattern double breasted doublet... some of which did certainly reach the Crimea either as new issue or (perhaps more commonly) with drafts and reinforcements.


As seen in the photo of the 42nd above. The same lozenge-shaped buttons are more clearly visible on the doublet of the 72nd Light company man in the photo taken back in Britain later in the same year.
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