57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

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57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

Postby Isandlwana » 24 Aug 2012 23:47

A couple more from my collection:

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Officers of the 57th (West Middlesex) photographed in the late 1860's whilst still in New Zealand.

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Officers of the 57th who fought in New Zealand.

Thanks to the online archive of W.F. Gordon held by the Museum of New Zealand I have been able to identify a number of officers in the photographs.

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Re: 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

Postby colsjt65 » 25 Aug 2012 10:33

Thanks for these John. The only copy of the top photo that I've seen is on the ATL Timeframes and it's a very poor retouched copy. I have amassed 35 photos of the 57th, so could help identify some if I could see a bigger version of the photo. I would be interested to know the officers you have identified.
It is interesting in that Colonel Logan is wearing his CB, which he was awarded after Katikara in June1863. The regiment left NZ in March-April 1867. Some of them are wearing Patrol Jackets.

There is at least one interloper in the photo - far left middle row - the man in civvies is Major John Marshall, retired Paymaster of the 65th Regiment. After retiring he moved to the Wanganui area. On the breaking out of the 2nd Taranaki war, he was put in command by the New Zealand Government of the subdistrict of Rangitikei, under Major Rookes, who was in charge of the whole of the West Coast. A few months later Rangitikei was made a separate district, and Major Marshall put in full command.
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Re: 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

Postby Isandlwana » 25 Aug 2012 18:15

Colsjt65,

Thanks for identifying Marshall in the group photograph, he was causing me some concern!

In the second photograph, if we take R. A. Logan at 12 o'clock; F. S. Schomberg at 2 o'clock; C. Picot at 4 o'clock; 6 o'clock Not yet identified; 8 o'clock T. W. J. Lloyd & 10 o'clock M. V. Hornidge. I've yet to establish the identities of the centre trio.

Drop me a pm and I send you a larger format version of the group photograph, in the meantime I'll try and add the names I have so far to it, and post it later.

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Re: 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

Postby spacecookie » 06 Mar 2014 03:48

Hi, i have not long joined this site. The reason being is that my Husbands Great grandfather was Major G I Cumming of the 57th Regt here in the Land Wars. I was wondering if there would be anyone who may have any photographs of him or with him in one. I have one photo of him ,i am hoping there may be more, thanks.
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Re: 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

Postby colsjt65 » 06 Mar 2014 10:05

Here's one I found on the Te Papa museum web site.
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I've found very little in the newspapers about him -
Highest [British Army] Rank in New Zealand – Ensign
Promotion record - Ensign 30 April 1861.
NZ Medal Roll - Sgt. Major & Ensign - served 4 yrs, 6 mths - 1861-5 - retired.
Departed New Plymouth for Wanganui aboard the Heron 14 January 1863. Arrived New Plymouth from Wanganui aboard the Wanganui 4 July 1864, returned aboard the Wanganui same day. Taranaki Herald 7 Dec. 1864 - to replace Stapp as of Adjutant of the Taranaki Militia and Rifle Volunteers.
[Daily Southern Cross, 23 January 1869] "about 6 o'clock [5 Jan.], 200 men, in charge of Major Cumming, and accompanied by two field pieces, marched for Nukumaru. This advanced party received orders carefully to reconnoitre"
Arrival in New Zealand unknown.
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Re: 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

Postby crimea1854 » 08 Mar 2014 10:27

George Cumming served in the Crimea with the 57th; the photograph shows him wearing his miniature Crimea Medal - Sebastopol clasp, Legion of Honour and Turkish Crimea Medal.

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Re: 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

Postby spacecookie » 16 Mar 2014 23:59

Hi, thank you for the picture.I do know that George Cumming was sent to NZ from India aboard the Castilian. Promoted to Corporal 19/1/1850. Promoted to Color Sergeant 7/4/1854. Sergeant Major 19/7/1855. Arrived in NZ 21 Jan 1861 at Auckland. Marched to Onehunga and Boarded the Warship H.M.S. Cordelia that sailed to Taranaki and landed at Waitara. 1864 was promoted to Captain and Adjutant Taranaki Militia. 1876 promoted to sub Inspector Armed Constabulary Force..1872 promoted to Major Cumming Officer in charge of the Wairoa District NZ. died 1873 at Te Kapu, Frasertown, Napier NZ aged 44. He Enlisted 22/7/1843--off to India for the Sikh Uprising 6-12-1843, numerous wars until his death in NZ.I have quite a bit on his military career, i am lacking in any pictures of him, thank you for the one posted.
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Re: 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

Postby colsjt65 » 17 Mar 2014 09:40

Thanks for that. I've been collecting officers' details, but it's hard to trace the early careers of men from the ranks.
One thing I noticed - his date of death you say is 1873, but that's before his promotion dates. Could you please recheck.
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Re: 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

Postby spacecookie » 20 Mar 2014 20:41

Hi, sorry wrote the wrong date. He was promoted to Sub Inspector 1867 not 1876. For service in the Crimean War he was awarded the Crimea Medal and bar Turkish Crimea clasp for Sebastopol French legion of Honor. A bit more of his NZ war details if you need them. 1868 present at the first attack on Okutuku, 1869 at fort Galatea invasion of Urewera then on to Opepe. 1870 present at Tapapa.1871 present when Te Kooti was defeated at Waipaoa.1872 Promoted to Major cumming. hope this helps.Do you want any personal details eg marriages etc?
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Re: 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

Postby jse » 14 Apr 2014 04:08

Hi,
I am looking for information on my GGG Grandfather Robert Collins Quarter Master of the 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment.

He arrived in Auckland New Zealand with his Regiment in 1851 aboard the ship 'Castillian'., and was then sent to New Plymouth, where he served before being discharged in 1863. He also served in Crimea,Aden and India according to his death notice. He died in New Zealand in 1869 age 46.
There was also a Michael Collins in this Regiment. Is there any way in seeing if this was his Father ?, as I know that was his Fathers name.
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Re: 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

Postby colsjt65 » 14 Apr 2014 12:27

Hi
Robert Collins was a Quarter Master Sergeant (Regt. no. 1025) - Medal roll states served 3 years, 6 months - 1861, 2, 3 and 4 - Discharged.
Castilian arrived 22 Jan. 1861 - I assume 1851 is a typo.
You'd have to get his papers to see who his father was, I guess.

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Re: 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

Postby Rural53 » 22 Apr 2014 04:20

Grave of Robert Collins.

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Buried in the Mission Cemetery in Tauranga.
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Re: 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

Postby jse » 22 Apr 2014 05:18

Many thanks for the photos. After leaving the 57th Regiment Robert Collins joined the Armed Constabulary and the Taranaki Militia, in which he was serving when he died.
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Re: 57th (West Middlesex) Regiment, New Zealand 1860's

Postby janine » 08 Oct 2014 10:01

Hi
I'm wondering if anybody has pics. of ordinary soldiers from 57th regiment or the 2nd Battalion, 14th Foot.
I had a gr gr, grandfather in each of these in NZ.
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