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Purchase of Antique arms which served in NZ

Postby mattmck » 14 Jan 2014 12:06

Hi All,

I'm on the hunt for any arms which served throughout the NZ Land Wars and was just wondering whether anyone knew any good places to search/contact to try and find some? I'm aware of the NZ Antiques Arms Association and I've managed to identify a few auction houses in NZ - did anyone know of any others? Online stores would be ideal.

Any tips to point me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

Matt
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Re: Purchase of Antique arms which served in NZ

Postby colsjt65 » 14 Jan 2014 20:55

So what Matt's looking for are:

Brown Bess flintlock muskets - 80th, 96th, 99th
P39 and P42 percussion muskets marked the 58th and 65th regiments. Often overstamped NZ as they were reissued to colonials.
P53 Enfield long rifles and P56 and P60 Enfield short rifles marked to 1st batt. 12th, 2nd batt. 14th, 2nd batt. 18th, 40th, 43rd, 50th, 57th, 58th, 65th, 68th, 70th regiments of Foot
P61 Enfield Artillery carbine - 4th Brigade, Royal Artillery (C and I batteries)
P61 Cavalry carbine - 10 Battalion, Military Train.
Lancaster carbine - 16 coy, Royal Engineers
Snider Enfield long and short rifles - 2nd batt. 18th Regiment. (Auckland museum has one marked 50th Regt., but they didn't receive them until they were in Australia after 1867)

I do have a Calisher & Terry carbine, which was issued to NZ colonial troops - including Forest Rangers, that's for sale.

Good luck with that - I have some friends in Wellington who have already scooped up every one that's been around NZ and Oz for the last 20 years.
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Re: Purchase of Antique arms which served in NZ

Postby mattmck » 17 Jan 2014 11:21

Cheers Bruce, that's precisely what I'm after! - I think...I'm still fairly new and ignorant to it all :) that's all great info to have and will make future searches a lot easier.

I actually came across this listing on Trademe the other day which got me excited - Although it's missing a few parts and is heavily pitted so I'm not sure whether it's a good buy. I'm also unfamiliar with the manufacturer but learnt they typically built shotguns and some carbines at one point. Does the broad arrow marking also indicate that is was issued for service?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =684991976

Any ideas when this would have been made or used? I thought it looked too short to have been from 1842 as stated.
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Re: Purchase of Antique arms which served in NZ

Postby Waggoner » 17 Jan 2014 12:53

The pictures really aren't that good. It appears to be a privately manufactured Pattern 1853 Infantry three band rifle that has been cut down. However, it does show what appear to be NZ issue marks. If I were you, I would avoid this one at this price.

All the best,

Gary
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Re: Purchase of Antique arms which served in NZ

Postby A.Roads » 18 Jan 2014 23:37

Hi Matt, are you aware of this site for N.Z. arms etc info? www.armsregister.com
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Re: Purchase of Antique arms which served in NZ

Postby mattmck » 23 Jan 2014 15:21

Great thanks Adrian, that seems a perfect resource :D
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Re: Purchase of Antique arms which served in NZ

Postby A.Roads » 23 Jan 2014 21:08

Also the other day I was trolling thru the antique arms list at this site & saw at least one NZ longarm
http://www.fultonsofbisley.com/shop/fir ... -list.html
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Re: Purchase of Antique arms which served in NZ

Postby mattmck » 28 Apr 2014 15:47

I managed to get hold of a Snider Enfield Mk II** with NZ markings! :D Exactly the same model as the one listed by Adrian - but for half the price(!) from a retiring dealer. http://www.kingsshillingantiques.com/in ... vice-rifle

Curious to know whether the massive cutlass bayonet that accompanies it was used in NZ??
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Re: Purchase of Antique arms which served in NZ

Postby colsjt65 » 30 Apr 2014 08:58

Very nice Matt. Not strictly 'Land Wars', being later.

I haven't found direct evidence that cutlass bayonets were used here, but an account of the armaments of HMS Curacoa [Daily Southern Cross newspaper 7 Oct. 1863] Cross includes - 50 Colt revolvers, 120 Enfield rifles, 120 cutlasses (not 'swords' which is the name for the sword bayonet). The crew of the Curacoa fought at Rangiriri "so he sent for the blue-jackets without rifles, and armed only with cutlasses and revolvers".
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Re: Purchase of Antique arms which served in NZ

Postby NZWARS » 31 Jul 2017 12:09

Keep Looking. You may be surprised what is out there.

I located two NZ Wars firearms here in Australia in the last 18-months. These were a Maori used Indian Musket that came back with a veteran and Major Charles Heaphy's revolver. Quite large numbers of arms went from the various Australian Colonies to NZ, including many Terry Carbines from the police. Some came back here over the years.

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Re: Purchase of Antique arms which served in NZ

Postby walrus » 26 Sep 2017 01:57

Did anybody comment on who supplied the Moari's with their 'Modern Weapons' ? Yankee Whalers?
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